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re: Tucker Carlson has divided conservative social media with his take on the atomic bomb
Posted on 4/21/24 at 7:31 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/21/24 at 7:31 pm to RollTide1987
Tuck is right again. Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
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Posted on 4/21/24 at 7:34 pm to Damone
Dead Japanese or dead Americans?
Drop em.
As Metallica's "Am I Evil" is playing in my head.
Drop em.
As Metallica's "Am I Evil" is playing in my head.
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 4/21/24 at 7:37 pm to Damone
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Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
What do we know? I'll tell you what I know. The Japanese saw the terms Germany got when they surrendered to the Allies in May 1945. Shortly before the Potsdam Conference in July, Japan opened a channel with the Soviet Union (who was still a neutral party to the conflict between Japan and the western Allies), asking them what terms they would get if they offered to surrender. The Soviets came back with an honest answer: unconditional surrender. And so the Potsdam Declaration came out on July 26 where the Allies (true to the Soviet Union's word to Japan) told the Japanese that they would only accept unconditional surrender. The Japanese never made a formal reply to the Potsdam Declaration, choosing instead to ignore it with contented silence. Eleven days later, on August 6, the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Then came the bombing of Nagasaki on August 9. On August 12, the Japanese offered to surrender on the condition that they keep their emperor and also on the condition that no Allied occupation of Japan would occur. That wasn't good enough so we continued to bomb their cities with conventional weapons. Finally, with the Soviet Union now at war with Japan and encroaching on their territory, the Japanese agreed to surrender to the terms of the Potsdam Declaration on August 14.
This post was edited on 4/21/24 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 4/21/24 at 7:47 pm to Damone
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...some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
Very telling you used "bomb(s)" there.
They didn't capitulate after the first one, did they?
Maybe a few sanctions and a blockade would have done the trick, though.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 7:55 pm to Damone
Dreden was far worse and yet no one really gets on the US and Britain for that. Damage and death was just as comparable
Posted on 4/21/24 at 8:43 pm to Damone
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Tuck is right again. Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
If you can find any still living, you should go ask the vets of the Pacific theater if dropping the bomb was the right idea.. growing up with relatives that fought in both theaters, I can tell you that they generally held no animosity towards German soldiers. That feeling was quite the opposite in terms of the Japanese. They absolutely fricking hated them to the core with a white hot fricking passion.
The savagery of the Japanese soldier, the extreme fanaticism led in many instances to standing orders that any Japanese body was to be bayoneted. We sealed Japanese soldiers alive in tunnels because they refused to surrender and it cost us less lives than going into the tunnels and fighting them. Anyone who thinks invading the Japanese homeland wouldn’t have been complete carnage is a fool, and despite the devastation of the bombs it probably saved more Japanese lives than turning an entire country into cannon fodder.
There are lots on interviews on YouTube with old Pacific theater vets. Go sit down for a few hours and listen to them… saw one a while back where he talked about how they captured a Japanese soldier but it was too dangerous to take him back and they couldn’t set him free and they certainly couldn’t advance with him. Pretty much had zero choice but to dispose of him because any other option would have been a death sentence to the American soldier.
Posted on 4/21/24 at 9:55 pm to Damone
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Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
Truman made the decision that needed to be made at the time. You don’t get 10 years to think it over or gather additional data.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:16 am to Damone
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Tuck is right again
He’s dead wrong. Dropping the A-bombs on Japan was the right move. It probably saved lives and it definitely saved a thousands of American lives.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:09 am to Damone
What was the alternative without sacrificing more American lives?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 6:47 am to Damone
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Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
The fact that the first one didn't make them quit should tell you all you need to know. Dropping the bombs saved hundreds of thousands of American lives.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:23 am to Damone
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Tuck is right again.
Hard to believe that with all we now know, some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
Zackly right. And yes, Tucker is right. We can NOT condone the immorality of what was frivolous mass murder based on lies and the power of suggestion.
For almost my entire life I had supported and believed this narrative and notion , "But...but...The A-Bombs that incinerated hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens SAVED MILLIONS OF LIVES!"
The KEY to this riddle -- as you so noted, Damone: "with all we NOW know".
And what is THE answer to the Key to the riddle?
We have clearly been lied to for decades if not longer by a Global Cabal of Shadow Overlords and profiteering, cigar-puffing MIC ghouls who have demonized (and mass-murdered) an innocent citizenry...
These same citizenry have had nothing to do with their own respective gubmint Cabal forever timeline of war-mongering declarations and policies (Anecdotal Proof: see US Goobermint policies & agenda vs Consent of People, 2024).
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:48 pm to Damone
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some still think the US had to drop the bomb(s) to get Japan to capitulate.
And those who think otherwise are full of bullshite.
Without the nuke, we'd have lost another million deaths in conquering Japan.
Why do you concentrate on the bomb?? - we killed more civilians with the fire-bombing earlier in the war.
What is acceptable to you?
How many additional human sacrifices are we required to offer up to satisfy your god of 'fairness?'
war is hell ----- that is not just a saying ----- that is absolute axiom.
Best way to avoid hell is to not start a war.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:00 pm to Damone
They were military targets .....Learn history and do everyone a favor .....Look it up yourself. So you can stop looking stupid.
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