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NYT: study: cancelling people’s medical debt has no impact on their financial situation
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:44 pm
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Economists see inspiring John Oliver segment on debt relief, conduct a randomized trial to forgive $169 million in medical debt, find this has no effect on quality of life or future financial distress at all.
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Turns out the only effect of forgiving people's debts is this discourages them from paying other debts in the future.
Another lesson is that when people self-report that X issue is causing them to cut back on necessities like food they're probably lying.
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An obvious problem with these programs is the only reason they can buy debts for pennies on the dollar is that they're already uncollectable and haven't been paid in years, so forgiveness has a low marginal impact on people's ability to spend.
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A potential harm of trying to scale up a debt forgiveness operation is it only works when the debt is cheap, which it won't be if the market for it increases. And anything that makes bad debt less costly to medical providers nudges them towards producing more of it.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So you're saying that he did an incredibly generous act for nothing?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:06 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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no effect on quality of life or future financial distress at all.
I'm a bit skeptical here because this is the one kind of debt that happens because you got screwed as opposed to making bad financial decisions.
Some people with massive medical bills are, by definition, in very poor health which limits their earning potential but that shouldn't be a large enough portion that Oliver failed to move the needle for anyone.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Why do you care for john oliver are you some kind of liberal
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Honestly doesn’t surprise me one bit. Most people have zero self control and 99.2% of those folks just dgaf.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:14 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Giving people”free” money will not transform them into responsible people. The opposite actually.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:14 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:If you believe the lie, then it becomes the truth
find this has no effect on quality of life or future financial distress at all.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This isn’t really surprising. There’s always a ton of selection bias in these programs because they target poor people because it feels like the right thing to do. What I want to see is, what happens when you look at these as long term taxes rebates or deductions and to see if that might encourage people to fricking work and quit living off the welfare state that will just write off their hundreds of thousands in unsecured debt when they die.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Can’t most medical debt just be ignored? Most states don’t allow you to be sued under a certain income limit, and ERISA protects most retirement assets up to like $1M which is way more than any perma-ill jabroni would have anyway
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I believe this also applies to paying off someone's student loans.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So treating people like children causes them to act like children???
You don’t say.
You don’t say.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So now we believe stuff reported in the NYT, or naw?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Poor people were already poor. More at 10
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