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NYT: study: cancelling people’s medical debt has no impact on their financial situation

Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:44 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69425 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:44 pm
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Economists see inspiring John Oliver segment on debt relief, conduct a randomized trial to forgive $169 million in medical debt, find this has no effect on quality of life or future financial distress at all.






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Summary of study:

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Turns out the only effect of forgiving people's debts is this discourages them from paying other debts in the future.

Another lesson is that when people self-report that X issue is causing them to cut back on necessities like food they're probably lying.


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An obvious problem with these programs is the only reason they can buy debts for pennies on the dollar is that they're already uncollectable and haven't been paid in years, so forgiveness has a low marginal impact on people's ability to spend.


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A potential harm of trying to scale up a debt forgiveness operation is it only works when the debt is cheap, which it won't be if the market for it increases. And anything that makes bad debt less costly to medical providers nudges them towards producing more of it.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 7:11 pm
Posted by GoblinGuide
Member since Nov 2017
1656 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:58 pm to
So you're saying that he did an incredibly generous act for nothing?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
71640 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:06 pm to
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no effect on quality of life or future financial distress at all.


I'm a bit skeptical here because this is the one kind of debt that happens because you got screwed as opposed to making bad financial decisions.

Some people with massive medical bills are, by definition, in very poor health which limits their earning potential but that shouldn't be a large enough portion that Oliver failed to move the needle for anyone.
Posted by Tenn grad LSU fan
Wouldn't you like to know spazz
Member since Apr 2023
573 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:11 pm to
Why do you care for john oliver are you some kind of liberal
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4406 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:12 pm to
Honestly doesn’t surprise me one bit. Most people have zero self control and 99.2% of those folks just dgaf.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57453 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:14 pm to
Giving people”free” money will not transform them into responsible people. The opposite actually.
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:14 pm to
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find this has no effect on quality of life or future financial distress at all.
If you believe the lie, then it becomes the truth
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12752 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:15 pm to
This isn’t really surprising. There’s always a ton of selection bias in these programs because they target poor people because it feels like the right thing to do. What I want to see is, what happens when you look at these as long term taxes rebates or deductions and to see if that might encourage people to fricking work and quit living off the welfare state that will just write off their hundreds of thousands in unsecured debt when they die.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 7:35 pm
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
3128 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:16 pm to
Can’t most medical debt just be ignored? Most states don’t allow you to be sued under a certain income limit, and ERISA protects most retirement assets up to like $1M which is way more than any perma-ill jabroni would have anyway
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
2556 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:56 pm to
I believe this also applies to paying off someone's student loans.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
30125 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:44 pm to
So treating people like children causes them to act like children???

You don’t say.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
4405 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:49 pm to
So now we believe stuff reported in the NYT, or naw?
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15820 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:54 pm to
Poor people were already poor. More at 10
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