re: Who’s in the wrong? Police cruiser vs. ATV

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Nobody can say if the 4 wheeler dude would have ever killed or injured any of the bikers. And therefore can't use the "what if" argument to justify the cop nearly killing that guy.

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Sure, let’s assume that the guy driving too fast to react to a stopped police cruiser with his lights on posed no risk to the pedestrians 50 feet behind the cop.

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You pull up to make a right turn at a long line red light in shite hole BR traffic. You "make your own lane" on the right shoulder to get to the right turn you want to make because its clear (and there is/was a cyclist or pedestrian within 500 yards of you). Out of nowhere, WHAM!!! BRPD patrol unit pulls in front of you, destroying your vehicle and injuring you.

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Funny you should mention this, I’ve been in an accident where someone did exactly this, and slammed into my vehicle as I (legally) moved into the turn lane. My wife had a concussion from hitting her head on the window.

We have traffic rules for a reason. If you’re driving so fast on the shoulder that someone (cop or otherwise) pulling in front of you is “lethal force,” you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Why is driving an ATV on public roads illegal but being a dipshit cyclist condoned?

The ATV rider is completely in the wrong.

He wasn't supposed to be riding there in the first place, no motorized vehicles are allowed on that walking/biking path (other than emergency vehicles).

He was speeding. This is obvious as the cop's pull into the lane was far enough away that were he going 35 or under he would have had ample time to stop. At the speed he was going, he would have plowed into someone had they moved the wrong way in an attempt to get out of his way.

The only reason the cop was there was because of reports of this asshat (and possibly others) being on the biking/walking path.

Anything else is to allow some sort of excuse for the a-hole on the ATV.

based off of the responses from the usual suspects in this thread, I’m guessing that the douche on the atv was a black guy??

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He shouldn't have blocked him, maybe hit his lights to let him know to slow down, then turn and go get him. Looked like the kid was flying.

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Hey retard, you really think it would have been better for the cop, who already had his lights on, to let a speeding ATV rider fly by then try to chase him down on a cycling/pedestrian pathway and endanger all those on bicycles he passed before heading off the ATV?


Some of you are a special kind of stupid.

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frick off, a cop doesn’t get to wreck someone just because he’s a cop. Cop pulled in front of the ATV guy because he’s an authoritarian prick who knows he won’t get into trouble for trying to kill someone.

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No sir, frick you. When you ride an ATV on the road, you accept all consequences.

Regardless, the cop was protecting the pedestrians, one of which was pushing a stroller.

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Deliberately wrecking the ATV

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Yeah, looked more like the cop pulled over to force the ATV to slow down, but the ATV was operating at such speed that he was not able to stop safely. Now imagine instead of the cop it was those little kids or the mom with the stroller that the cop just passed. If the ATV was going at the same speed as the cop which I assume was the posted limit given the pedestrian traffic then he would have easily been able to stop. The cop here based off the video is attempting to stop or at least get the ATV to slow down to protect the innocent people and children in the ATV's path.

Hopefully your comment is just a troll and I and others were just caught by your shiny hook. If not then I really question not only your intelligence, but character as well, as this one is pretty cut and dry. The cop didn't attempt to wreck, just stop because of the innocent people ahead. If the ATV operator was operating at a safe speed, even though he was using the roadway illegally this crash doesn't happen. He most likely just gets a warning. Maybe if the cop wanted to be a dick he gives him a citation and impounds the ATV for illegal use.

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There it is folks.

The Karen argument of all Karen arguments.

If it saves just one life.

Nobody can say if the 4 wheeler dude would have ever killed or injured any of the bikers. And therefore can't use the "what if" argument to justify the cop nearly killing that guy.


Careful OT, agreeing with the cop's actions sets precedent that it's OK for cops to try to kill anyone (use deadly force) for a ticketable offense.

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The police vehicle had its lights on. A police vehicle with flashing lights is pretty easy to see. I can't think of anything on that trail that would have been easier to see. And yet the ATV could not stop in time or turn to avoid the police vehicle.



The image shows how far the ATV is from the police vehicle when the police vehicle starts blocking the lane. The police officer saw the ATV before that point. Surely, the ATV driver would have seen the police vehicle with flashing lights at the same time or earlier.

That's at least a football field away. The ATV should have been able to stop or avoid colliding with the police vehicle within that distance.



Instead, the ATV driver does not appear to have reduced his speed significantly before running into the police vehicle. He hits the police vehicle at a dangerous speed.

Perhaps the ATV driver would have seen the cyclists and pedestrians in time to avoid them. Perhaps he could have slowed sufficiently to stop or avoid them. Perhaps not. The video of the ATV driver's reactions after the police vehicle pulled into his lane at 100 yards away strongly suggests that the cyclists and pedestrians were at great risk from this ATV driver.

If the ATV driver could not see or avoid the flashing lights police vehicle at 100 yards, how is he going to see or avoid the cyclists and pedestrians? The police vehicle was not blocking both lanes, and yet the ATV driver did not even control the ATV enough to go into the other lane.

The police officer had a choice to make. Block the ATV at a distance at which the ATV should have been able easily to stop before making contact with the police vehicle or take the risk that the ATV would have collided with a cyclist or pedestrian.

I think the police officer made a reasonable decision given the time constraints. The video of the ATV driver's reactions to the police vehicle at a distance of 100 yards suggests that the police officer made a reasonable decision.

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The police vehicle was not blocking both lanes, and yet the ATV driver did not even control the ATV enough to go into the other lane.

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IMO, this is a major point here. The captain even mentioned in the news video someone else posted that the cop gave him a lane to egress (or however he worded it), yet the ATV driver could not change lanes fast enough to avoid the cop car with the lights on. And so many in this thread have suggested that he could have avoided much smaller targets that he would clearly have less time to react to avoid