Some of the stories are clearly inventions.

I don’t believe the Germans were killing prisoners at Buchenwald by throwing them into a cage with a bear and and an eagle.

Shooting people? Yes.

Bizarre James Bond setup, no.

The claim also emerged decades after the war ended. It’s clearly hucksterism.

Disease and malnutrition were likely big killers, and should get talked about more.

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There is just no evidence to support the number 6 million. We say 6 million because the jews say it was 6 million.

It’s to some degree a symbolic figure. We don’t know how many people died.

Israeli filmmaker David Fisher in an interview with Haaretz.

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it’s true that in 1945 it was known that four million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz, and 50 years later it was known that ‘only’ a million and a half people were killed there, out of whom one million were Jews. When I heard about this discovery, I asked myself: How is it possible, then, that the six million number was not reduced accordingly?

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Posted by OBReb6

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Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:35 am to Lima Whiskey

Here’s something that I doubt many people know.

I learned in school that the Nazis killed 11 million people on a systematic basis in the Holocaust. 6 million Jews plus 5 million other (Gypsies, homosexuals, invalids of various sorts).

Did y'all know the 11 million figure was made up? I’m not pulling this out of my arse, Holocaust historians have admitted it. It was a deliberate attempt to contrive a number of non Jews that was significant, yet less than the number of Jews, in order to garner more sympathy from gentiles at large. And now many are salty it still gets attention, because it fights for a share of outrage with the Jewish cost.

Times of Israel - ‘Remember the 11 million’? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians

So, there is a lot of blatant disinformation around this topic and you’re a fool if you take every aspect of it without a grain of salt to say the least.

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Posted by Ace Midnight

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Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:14 am to Lima Whiskey

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Disease and malnutrition were likely big killers, and should get talked about more.

Frankly, these were more miserable deaths and still largely intentional acts by the Nazi regime.

The mistake folks make is to think of the entire apparatus as a killing machine. Yes, the Nazis ideal number of Jews was 0, but they were also practical. The overall scheme (and can largely be found in both explicit and implicit passages in Mein Kampf and other speeches/writings by Hitler and Goebbels particularly) was to:

1. Encourage/force approximately 1/3 of Europe's Jews to emigrate
2. Enslave approximately 1/3, at least temporarily, for the war machine (with the understanding that they would be worked to death, be killed or emigrate at the end of their usefulness)
3. Exterminate approximately 1/3 directly

If folks want to say that the Jewish victims of the Holocaust get more attention than, say Soviet citizens in the Ukraine and Western Russia, or Chinese victims of the Empire of Japan, that's fair. To suggest that Nazi Germany didn't make a good faith effort to rid Europe of Jews in an ungentle, genocidal way is ludicrous. Laughable. Credibility-destroying tripe.

Period.

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