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re: It's the carbs bruh
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:35 pm to eatpie
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:35 pm to eatpie
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I am surprised at the number of downvotes on the OP. I expect to see that on the OT board, but not here. Dude is offering logical information from his own experience and research.
Unfortunately this is one of those "against the grain" situations. If you know, you know.
If you have tried the carnivore diet, seriously and faithfully, you know for a fact the it'll clear up all kinds of chronic issues.
The carnivore diet is tough. No carbs is tough. I do the carnivore/no carbs diet periodically and the results are simply impressive. Always.
Anecdotal, maybe, but my personal experience:
Completely off blood pressure meds (after 10 years daily RX)
Fall asleep quickly, sleep soundly and wake up refreshed EVERY DAY.
Completely cleared up dry skin/eczema I had dealt with for years.
And very surprisingly, my tinnitus I've had since I was in my 20 cleared up completely.
guy cuts out full macro causing him to eat less calories which in turn causes him lose weight
losing weight along with eating nothing but whole nutrient dense foods allows him to get off meds
immediately jumps on the internet to demonize the macro he cut out
never did he weigh or track foods to see how many calories he was taking in
never did he try and cut out processed foods that may have been causing inflammation or hell any food at all
instead its a whole macronutrients fault
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I expect to see that on the OT board, but not here. Dude is offering logical information from his own experience and research.
maybe because people here actually can read and understand studies, understand the process that are happening down to a cellular level and maybe, just maybe most people here understand that keto/carnivore and other very low carb approaches are just like other approaches, like intermittent fasting, in that they are just strategies to control calories
because once calories and protein are equated, you get the same out comes when it comes to weight loss
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Completely off blood pressure meds (after 10 years daily RX)
because you lost weight and started eating whole foods instead of processed garbage. you lost weight because you ate less calories and more protein. if you would have kept your calories the same level, protein the same but ate leaner cuts and added in fruits and veggies that actually agreed with you, along with white rice and potatoes....then you would have had same results body fat loss wise and prolly better workouts and more strength
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Fall asleep quickly, sleep soundly and wake up refreshed EVERY DAY.
carbs prolly effect your sleep pattern, they dont everyone. when you add them back, try having a carb cutoff of noon
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Completely cleared up dry skin/eczema I had dealt with for years
a food you were eating regularly before was causing this. not the macro, but a specific food or group of foods was
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And very surprisingly, my tinnitus I've had since I was in my 20 cleared up completely.
again inflammation and fat loss
nobody here is against VLC diets in any form. hell i use carnivore and PSMF diets all the time and intermittent fasting too.
but I happen to be smart enough to understand they are just strategies to control overall calories while hitting my protein goal and not the underlying reason i am losing bodyfat at the time.
you are not a special snowflake whose bodies just disregards the laws of thermodynamics.
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:38 pm to ronricks
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Because over half the people on here don't even know you only need carbs or fats not both.
The other half have convinced themselves the secret to metabolic health are things like ozempic and diet sodas, and things loaded with artificial sweeteners, gums, emulsifiers, etc.
no its that he stated CICO is dead which is in fact false. we know this for a fact
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The other half have convinced themselves the secret to metabolic health are things like ozempic and diet sodas, and things loaded with artificial sweeteners, gums, emulsifiers, etc.
90% of the health benefits of a diet come from the fat loss itself. if those things help you lose the fat, have at it.
again we have studies showing for a fact, that this is the case. dozens
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Same folks think that eating fats make you 'fat' and that eating cholesterol gives you 'high' cholesterol.
it can if you are a hyper responder. for most this isnt the case though. but have seen some.
stop throwing out the science because of how you feel. Like i said, i use same eating strategies, doesnt mean that they are magic.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:42 pm to ronricks
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Because over half the people on here don't even know you only need carbs or fats not both.
The other half have convinced themselves the secret to metabolic health are things like ozempic and diet sodas, and things loaded with artificial sweeteners, gums, emulsifiers, etc.
Same folks think that eating fats make you 'fat' and that eating cholesterol gives you 'high' cholesterol.
I don't think you have a very good grasp of this board and its regular posters at all
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:43 pm to Salmon
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I don't think you have a very good grasp of this board and its regular posters at all
he doesnt, his whole thing now is just being an a-hole just to be an a-hole
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:51 pm to Salmon
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I don't think you have a very good grasp of this board and its regular posters at all
I have a perfect grasp of it.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:57 pm to ronricks
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I have a perfect grasp of it.
no, no you dont. pretty much zero
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:19 pm to lsu777
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no, no you dont. pretty much zero
You seem like a combination of Jason Genova and Mike Israetel.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:22 pm to lsu777
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guy cuts out full macro causing him to eat less calories which in turn causes him lose weight
losing weight along with eating nothing but whole nutrient dense foods allows him to get off meds
immediately jumps on the internet to demonize the macro he cut out
You, lsu777, are a special level of idiot troll.
You are oblivious to the context of things you read and only use your knee-jerk liberal tactic of calling names and insulting people.
I did not "immediately jump on the internet" to make claims. I have several years of personal experience and research and science to back up my experiences.
You, on the other hand, take every sentence I wrote out of context, and insinuate claims I did not make, apparently in a effort to gain favor with some rando on this board you are infatuated with.
A few responses to your out of context claims:
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never did he weigh or track foods to see how many calories he was taking in
Are you sure? Odd that you'd claim this knowledge.
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never did he try and cut out processed foods that may have been causing inflammation or hell any food at all
Are you sure? Odd that you'd claim this knowledge.
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instead its a whole macronutrients fault
Did I make that claim? No. I applaud your ignorance and inability to read something and understand there is value to anecdotal experiences.
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maybe because people here actually can read and understand studies
Probably most people on this board are better than average at reading and understanding studies. You, though, appear to lack the ability to look at evidence presented outside of official studies. If someone told you they have owned two Amana dishwashers, and they had problems with both in terms of quality and reliability, would you insult them and claim you read a study saying Amana dishwashers were the best and their experience was untrue? Or would you be able to add their experience to your vast knowledge of the studies and think maybe there is value to their claim?
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because once calories and protein are equated, you get the same out comes when it comes to weight loss
This word salad makes no sense.
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because you lost weight and started eating whole foods instead of processed garbage.
You decided I lost weight, which I never said. You also insinuate I don't understand the problem with processed foods.
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a food you were eating regularly before was causing this. not the macro, but a specific food or group of foods was
You suggest I haven't considered specific foods might cause specific issues? Maybe the condition isn't related to a specific food or group?
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again inflammation and fat loss
Regarding my tinnitus statement. Maybe so. I posted my experiences for others to read and maybe consider in their own pursuit of diet/lifestyle improvement. Just because you are incapable of reading about someone else's experiences does not mean others might use it.
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you are not a special snowflake whose bodies just disregards the laws of thermodynamics.
Not sure why you think thermodynamics is the point of this discussion, nor why you feel emboldened by hurling insults at someone simply offering evidence of positive experience.
Please try to understand I did not post my experiences to upset you or anyone else, nor to refute nutritional studies. The Health/Fitness board is a place to share experiences and ask questions related to health and fitness.
Peace, brother. I hope we can at least be civil, even if we disagree.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:49 pm to eatpie
Damn I missed a lot since this morning
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:16 pm to eatpie
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You, lsu777, are a special level of idiot troll.
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Peace, brother. I hope we can at least be civil, even if we disagree.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:21 pm to eatpie
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I am surprised at the number of downvotes on the OP.
I'm not, especially when you start with this nonsense
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I think we'll live to see the final demise of the CICO (calories in, calories out) model of weight gain/loss.
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If you have tried the carnivore diet, seriously and faithfully, you know for a fact the it'll clear up all kinds of chronic issues.
I've tried it. Didn't like it. I don't have any chronic issues, so maybe I'm the wrong person for it, but it sucked all of my energy out of me.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 6:11 pm to eatpie
Yea I don’t understand the science at all
Bro no offense but you have no clue what you are talking about.
I was insulting you at all, simply saying you clearly didn’t understand what the base means of why those things happened, did happen.
I’m not even going to address the studies but like I said, we have no more than 200 studies and over 2 dozen meta analysis showing that I right.
If I wasn’t right then how would bodybuilders for the last 60 years get shredded eating rice?
Before you throw insults, might want to go read the studies, go read Layne nortons books, go read lean gains, go read the RP diet books and about dozen other
Posted on 5/14/24 at 2:47 pm to lsu777
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guy cuts out full macro causing him to eat less calories which in turn causes him lose weight
losing weight along with eating nothing but whole nutrient dense foods allows him to get off meds
immediately jumps on the internet to demonize the macro he cut out
But isn't it likely that:
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never did he try and cut out processed foods that may have been causing inflammation
a lot of processed foods were inherently cut out since those tend to be very ultra-processed carbs in the first place?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 3:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
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a lot of processed foods were inherently cut out since those tend to be very ultra-processed carbs in the first place?
correct but that isnt what causes fat loss
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:59 am to lsu777
I feel like keeping net carbs to 50g a day or less is a good balance.
It’s not no carb so you can still perform quite well but it also limits the amount of empty shite you can eat.
It’s not no carb so you can still perform quite well but it also limits the amount of empty shite you can eat.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:14 am to GeorgeTheGreek
i dont want the misconception to be im against keto or low carb....quite the opposite as I use it. im simply saying, it works because it allows one to to eat low calories and be satisfied and keeps protein high
it just isnt cutting the carbs that are causing the fat loss, its the lower calories. we know this for a fact
we also know highly processed and highly palatable foods cause the release of the enzyme sDDP-4 into the adipose tissue. we know that enzyme suppressed the release of GLP-1 and GIP.
we also know certain whole foods suppress the release of sDDP-4.
and its being looked at if that is why those that stick to a keto style diet tend to lower caloric intake without tracking but dont have the subsequent lowering of NEAT.
i do think 50g is a good starting point. gets you some veggies and some berries. but im also a big advocate of the vertical diet, use of white rice and potatoes to allow one to be full and have the energy needed. also use advocate of pomegranate juice too for heart health.
it just isnt cutting the carbs that are causing the fat loss, its the lower calories. we know this for a fact
we also know highly processed and highly palatable foods cause the release of the enzyme sDDP-4 into the adipose tissue. we know that enzyme suppressed the release of GLP-1 and GIP.
we also know certain whole foods suppress the release of sDDP-4.
and its being looked at if that is why those that stick to a keto style diet tend to lower caloric intake without tracking but dont have the subsequent lowering of NEAT.
i do think 50g is a good starting point. gets you some veggies and some berries. but im also a big advocate of the vertical diet, use of white rice and potatoes to allow one to be full and have the energy needed. also use advocate of pomegranate juice too for heart health.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:57 am to lsu777
I think if you’re trying to get lean, like 12-15% or leaner, you probably aren’t going to do it by only tracking and eliminating carbs. Sure, if you’re obese you’re probably going to lose weight because you’re eating less calories. Eventually you are going to plateau when you reach a body weight where your calories in equals your TDEE.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 12:57 pm to lsu777
quote:Which ones?
we also know certain whole foods suppress the release of sDDP-4.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 1:12 pm to Big Scrub TX
i posted a bunch of stuff on the thread for the OT, but its a cluster frick of a thread
here is the study
LINK
its certainly not a complete list and is very small looking at certain things
what we do know is, large bolus doses of insulin, especially close together, tend to cause the release of sDPP-4 in adipose tissue which causes inhibition of the release of GLP-1 and GIP.
so we also know potatoes, white rice, veggies are the best for satiety of any carb source. we also know that meats are the most satiating outside of potatoes. so we can guess those foods would be least likely to cause sDPP-4 release.
here is the study
LINK
its certainly not a complete list and is very small looking at certain things
what we do know is, large bolus doses of insulin, especially close together, tend to cause the release of sDPP-4 in adipose tissue which causes inhibition of the release of GLP-1 and GIP.
so we also know potatoes, white rice, veggies are the best for satiety of any carb source. we also know that meats are the most satiating outside of potatoes. so we can guess those foods would be least likely to cause sDPP-4 release.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 11:20 pm to lsu777
Oh yeah, everything you said makes total sense.
CICO is misleading though because as you pointed out, not every calorie is the same in how it’s broken down in the body based off of the macronutrient that calorie is tied too. I thought you did a nice job laying that out.
CICO is misleading though because as you pointed out, not every calorie is the same in how it’s broken down in the body based off of the macronutrient that calorie is tied too. I thought you did a nice job laying that out.
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