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I'll take a little of that mortgage advice

Posted on 8/4/11 at 7:24 pm
Posted by mikie421
continental shelf
Member since Nov 2008
692 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 7:24 pm
Currently have a 30 yr. fixed at 6.25% originated in Dec. 2007. Purchase price of 308k, now owe 230K plus a second mortgage at 30k. House is worth about 270 now. That is pretty accurate since I used to do appraisals, and I check the MLS from time to time. Question is can I avoid PMI? Would it make financial sense?
No car notes or other payments.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27835 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

owe 230K plus a second mortgage at 30k. House is worth about 270 now.


Would the bank let your refi? If so, DO IT!
quote:

can I avoid PMI?


Yeah by putting 20% down, which in your case would be $37K. Unless your estimate is off. Maybe you'll get a friendly estimate.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41254 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 7:32 pm to
to piggyback on mikie's question-

If you put enough down so the loan value is less than 80%(no PMI) and then the value of your house drops to the point that you are nearly underwater, do you have to start paying PMI?

Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45828 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 7:49 pm to
I would think you could get a rate around 4.5 or less if you have good credit. That will save a ton of $ every month...
Posted by mikie421
continental shelf
Member since Nov 2008
692 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 7:56 pm to
It would, but how much of that savings will be offset if I had to get PMI. How much is PMI?
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

how much of that savings will be offset if I had to get PMI


Don't know, but rates are so much lower now I'd strongly consider doing it anyway. Eventually you'll get over 20% equity and you're golden.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27835 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 8:43 pm to
quote:

How much is PMI?


Probably about $150 for your size loan.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10471 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 9:35 pm to
What type of loan do you have now, Fannie Mae? LINKIf you could get your 2nd to resubordinate, meaning you do not pay it off, you can do a loan, pay off your first and not have mortgage insurance. If you go with a 15 year you can get 3.5%
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 8/4/11 at 10:19 pm to
quote:

If you could get your 2nd to resubordinate


That's a huge if...HUGE...
Posted by shawnld
Member since Jun 2006
19 posts
Posted on 8/5/11 at 7:17 am to
novabill,

how much would it cost to do the 15 year refi @ 3.5%?
Posted by Rev1897
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
782 posts
Posted on 8/5/11 at 9:51 am to
So if I have a 30-year at 5% right now, and only owe about 150k, is it worth it to look at a 15-year 3.5-3.9% refi?
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10471 posts
Posted on 8/5/11 at 5:11 pm to
just locked one in today. the discount to get that rate was .625%.

I ran a spread sheet for him and he is saving almost 200k in interest payments by converting to a 15 year. If you like, I could send you a copy of the spreadsheet and you could fill in the blanks.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10471 posts
Posted on 8/5/11 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

So if I have a 30-year at 5% right now, and only owe about 150k, is it worth it to look at a 15-year 3.5-3.9% refi?


Is worth looking into. Not sure it would be worth it without putting the numbers together. I can send you the same spreadsheet and you can run the numbers yourself.

Posted by shawnld
Member since Jun 2006
19 posts
Posted on 8/5/11 at 6:03 pm to
Nova, please email it to me

Thanks
This post was edited on 8/6/11 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Douboy
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
4332 posts
Posted on 8/6/11 at 9:44 am to
Also keep in mind that there is lender paid and buyer paid PMI. Look into both if you have to go the PMI route.
Posted by Rev1897
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
782 posts
Posted on 8/6/11 at 10:18 am to
I'd love to see that spreadsheet. Can you e-mail it to sls(at)bhbmlaw(dot)com
Posted by mikie421
continental shelf
Member since Nov 2008
692 posts
Posted on 10/25/11 at 11:57 am to
Would the recent changes in the Federal refinance program help my situation, or are the changes for FHA originated loans only?
Posted by Blakely Bimbo
Member since Dec 2010
1183 posts
Posted on 10/25/11 at 12:29 pm to
Here is a link to see if Fannie or Freddie own your loan.

Loan Look Up

One thing you need to take into account is if the refi will be recourse or non recourse. Check your state rules.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 10/25/11 at 12:40 pm to
Check the comps on your property, and then look into your 2nd lien-holder (2nd mortgage holder) agreeing to a resburdination agreement.

Resbordination: Asking the guy 2nd in line to stay 2nd in line while you pay the guy 1st in line off and have someone else take his place.

If they're agreeable, it becomes much, much easier, and it makes complete sense to do. You could probably approach the 4's if not lower, and perhaps paying discount you could get underneath the 4% barrier, which would end up saving you a huge sum of money over the life of the loan.
Posted by mikie421
continental shelf
Member since Nov 2008
692 posts
Posted on 10/25/11 at 12:43 pm to
My loan is not FHA, and Louisiana is a recourse state. I am not in danger of foreclosing.
This post was edited on 10/25/11 at 12:51 pm
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