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re: so POS Hitler survived WW11 after all
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:43 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:43 am to Darth_Vader
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you could find the drugs he routinely took in just about any place on earth. None of them were exotic or rare. If you were going by the availability of the drugs he took to indicate where he went, he could have been in just about any town in the U.S. with a pharmacy for that matter.
And that still does not take into account the fact he was physically unable to make the trek from his bunker, through Soviet and then Allied lines to safety. When I said the man was virtually an invalid by this point, I meant that quite literally. It was all he could do to shuffle his feet from room to room inside the bunker and he had to do this slowly. Ever seen a 95 year old person trying to shuffle from their recliner to the next room? That's basically how he moved. So how do you think they could have got him out of there?
I'm talking about the meds he took, found together.
Same place. With Nazi items. If he was as sick as you say, a regular person would be in the city, probably at a hospital.
The tunnels were free of Soviet troops. And many of them were huge. They could quite literally have placed him on a cart and pushed him. Let's not pretend he had to go large distances here.
Let's also not pretend Soviet troops were "everywhere" or that being "everywhere" means that much. How many times have people conducted infil and exfil while the opposition was "everywhere"?
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:44 am to Champagne
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Why can't people simply enjoy arguing about interesting stuff like this?
I'm enjoying it.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:45 am to sullivanct19a
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Do some homework instead of assuming that as a medic you know everything. You know TC3 and practically nothing more.
Pray tell what exotic drug was Dr. Morell giving Hitler that was not to be found anywhere else in the world? And seeing how he was dismissed from the Bunker before Hitler was supposed to have escaped and was later captured by the Americans about two weeks later, how did he get those "exotic" drugs to Hitler in Argentina?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:48 am to TeddyPadillac
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so what you're trying to imply is that they found all of the medicine that Hitler routinely took, in one place? A place where he would have been living? Right?
Yes. They pulled these items from one of the digs at a home where they found Nazi artifacts etc.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:49 am to Champagne
The Day After Tomorrow
Really good read. I do not want to ruin, but it starts fast and is a page turner.
Really good read. I do not want to ruin, but it starts fast and is a page turner.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:53 am to doubleb
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The Hunting Hitler show is so sophomoric. They contrive a scenario and then decide to go check it out and usually find some mysterious "clues" that they already knew were there.
Whoa now....Bob Baer was CIA. He's written books. He's for real. Kennedy is SF. He's for real. I think he may have shot OBL.
They put Hitler on a U-boat, got him to Argentina, sunk the U-boat, killed the support staff to leave no trace, and he was sustained by a pro-Nazi enclave in Argentina.
This is simple stuff, not hard to believe. I don't know why so many people are struggling with this.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:53 am to sullivanct19a
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I'm enjoying it.
The problem with the "Escape through the sewers" theory is that, at Stalingrad, the Red Army relied very greatly on using the sewers for troop movements, so, the Red Army no doubt tried to cover the sewers.
BUT, Stalingrad was home ground for the Red Army so, they would have the blueprints of the sewer system. The Berlin sewer system or any underground tunnel system build for the Fuhrerbunker itself would not be so well-known to the Soviets.
So, the Sewer Escape Theory is possible. We've all seen motion picture images of Bed Races where people are being pushed and raced on urban streets on beds. That same kind of "race" could have happened in the sewers.
Besides, everyone knows how nice Germany is. The sewers in Germany are probably cleaner than the MARTA train stations in Atlanta, in fact, I can virtually guarantee that I'd rather be pushed in a bed through the Berlin sewer than pushed in a bed on the MARTA system in Atlanta.
German sewer workers are all very conscientious and devoted workers. It's like having an entire workforce made up of Ed Nortons.
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:55 am to Darth_Vader
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Pray tell what exotic drug was Dr. Morell giving Hitler that was not to be found anywhere else in the world? And seeing how he was dismissed from the Bunker before Hitler was supposed to have escaped and was later captured by the Americans about two weeks later, how did he get those "exotic" drugs to Hitler in Argentina?
Pray tell? Stop intimidating me with sophisticated syntax. It's a microaggression, don't you know that?
Oh, it wasn't 'exotic' medicine. No one said it was. But your willful distortion of the argument suggests you know you're on the losing side.
Will you resort to using emojis now?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:58 am to Champagne
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Champagne
These weren't sewers. These were dedicated tunnel networks.
Them stupid Soviets never knew a thing about them.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:58 am to Simpkjo
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There is no way Hitler could have gotten out of Germany. For the last few years of the war Hitler was a straight up junkie.. Hitlers personal doc Morell had him on a cocktail of drugs givin him up to 20 shots a day.. Hitler had to have a shot of his special medicine (amphetamines) just to get out of bed. He was also on all kinds of Parkinson meds. Dr Morell was dismissed from Hitlers bunker a few days before Hitler offed himself an then was captured by the American soldiers.
Maybe Dr. Morell was just saying that to fool us.
:aliens:
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:59 am to sullivanct19a
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I'm talking about the meds he took, found together.
Link? And keep in mind, any decent pharmacy would have them and many more. I know the Nazis did build secret compounds in South America to hid after the war. It would not be unreasonable for them to have a fully stocked pharmacy there. But the notion they could get Hitler there is absurd due to the fact he could not have survived the trip.
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If he was as sick as you say, a regular person would be in the city, probably at a hospital.
He was beyond sick. He was an invalid. He could barely walk.
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The tunnels were free of Soviet troops. And many of them were huge. They could quite literally have placed him on a cart and pushed him. Let's not pretend he had to go large distances here.
They'd still have to get him out of the bunker and cross Soviet lines to get to the tunnel entrances. Yes there were tunnels under the city the Soviets knew little or nothing about. But they did not directly connect to Hitler's bunker. And you've also got to remember the Soviet troops were all converging right on top of Hitler's bunker at the Chancellery. It's not like he was in some part of the city that was of secondary notice to the Soviets. He was literally in the center of where they were heading. To get from his bunker to any tunnel would require a trip above ground, in the open, all while hundreds of thousands of Soviet troops were heading directly towards him. And as for placing him on a cart and pushing him. have you seen what the area around the bunker looked like at that time?
The only hope of getting someone on a cart out of there would be to try and make your way straight down the city streets and even then you'd have to be going around all sorts of obstacles. All while out in the open and surrounded by two Soviet armies.
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Let's also not pretend Soviet troops were "everywhere" or that being "everywhere" means that much. How many times have people conducted infil and exfil while the opposition was "everywhere"?
They were not "everywhere". But they had two complete armies converging on the government district of Berlin which is exactly where Hitler was.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:03 am to Champagne
If Hilter had a very detailed escape plan it would seem feasible that he would leave fake evidence behind to cover his arse. Such as he was dying of drug overdoses and or disease.
Why would he need to escape using the sewer when the tunnels were still secure? The fact of records that 16 planes left Germany with loads of Hilter's person property only hours before his supposed suicide and his missing body is reason enough to question the reported death of Hitler.
Why would he need to escape using the sewer when the tunnels were still secure? The fact of records that 16 planes left Germany with loads of Hilter's person property only hours before his supposed suicide and his missing body is reason enough to question the reported death of Hitler.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:10 am to TutHillTiger
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I heard the rumors in spook world for many years. This was the basis for the movie Boys from Brazil. But after watching Hunting
Not even going to argue with that stupid show, but "Boys from Brazil" was not at all about Hitler surviving.
You should watch that movie some time, it's probably as much reality as the "documentary" you just watched.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:11 am to sullivanct19a
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Whoa now....Bob Baer was CIA. He's written books. He's for real. Kennedy is SF. He's for real. I think he may have shot OBL.
Bob Baer was also a druggie that did LSD and has exaggerated stories about his time in the CIA.
He's also the host of reality tv show. He says things that help him make money. The only thing he's real about is making money. he's apparently James Bond as well carrying around a Bic pen that shoots a bullet.
LINK
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:19 am to TutHillTiger
Hitler did escape Germany and
1. Ordered the Kennedy assassination
2. Killed and buried Jimmy Hoffa
3. Was one of the 1st to greet the aliens whose ship is at Area 51
4. Was one of the cameramen who filmed the fake moon landings
5. Is only 1 of 2 people who ACTUALLY know why Lee didn't get to play on 1/9/12
1. Ordered the Kennedy assassination
2. Killed and buried Jimmy Hoffa
3. Was one of the 1st to greet the aliens whose ship is at Area 51
4. Was one of the cameramen who filmed the fake moon landings
5. Is only 1 of 2 people who ACTUALLY know why Lee didn't get to play on 1/9/12
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:20 am to sullivanct19a
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Pray tell? Stop intimidating me with sophisticated syntax. It's a microaggression, don't you know that?
Please tell me you're not serious with this "microagression" horseshite.
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Oh, it wasn't 'exotic' medicine. No one said it was. But your willful distortion of the argument suggests you know you're on the losing side
And what willful distortions would you be talking about?
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Will you resort to using emojis now?
No, I prefer memes....
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:34 am to Darth_Vader
No one thinks that if he lived,the Russians or Israelis would have hunted him down?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 11:48 am to LSUFanNTX
The Israelis would have LOVED to have found Hitler, and I'm sure they were looking for him. The war was over for about 20 years when they kidnapped Eichmann.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:09 pm to Darth_Vader
That river looks pretty close...
Posted on 12/16/15 at 12:13 pm to TutHillTiger
I've got the last one taped. Although I think Hitler did commit suicide, I think these guys did likely uncover escape routes for other Nazis.
From Wikipedia.
"Heinrich Müller (28 April 1900; date of death unknown, but evidence points to May 1945)[1][2] was a German police official under both the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany. He became chief of the Gestapo, the political secret state police of Nazi Germany, and was involved in the planning and execution of the Holocaust. He was known as "Gestapo Müller" to distinguish him from another SS general named Heinrich Müller. He was last seen in the Führerbunker in Berlin on 1 May 1945 and remains the most senior figure of the Nazi regime who was never captured or confirmed to have died"
From Wikipedia.
"Heinrich Müller (28 April 1900; date of death unknown, but evidence points to May 1945)[1][2] was a German police official under both the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany. He became chief of the Gestapo, the political secret state police of Nazi Germany, and was involved in the planning and execution of the Holocaust. He was known as "Gestapo Müller" to distinguish him from another SS general named Heinrich Müller. He was last seen in the Führerbunker in Berlin on 1 May 1945 and remains the most senior figure of the Nazi regime who was never captured or confirmed to have died"
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