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Poll - If a person has a gun, when do you shoot them?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:03 pm
So this seems to be a controversial question with the OT and I am legitimately curious.
You have a gun on you and are confronted by the police. They know you have the gun. At what point should the police be allowed to shoot?
A. As soon as you fail to comply with their verbal commands?
B. When you resist their attempts to take you into custody?
C. When you reach towards the gun?
D. When you establish a grip on the gun?
E. When you start the draw?
F. When the gun clears the pocket/waistband/holster?
G. When the gun is pointed at the officer?
H. When you fire the first shot at the officer?
BTW. Here is an interesting two minute video that shows just how fast someone can draw a weapon. Watch it to the end. LINK
You have a gun on you and are confronted by the police. They know you have the gun. At what point should the police be allowed to shoot?
A. As soon as you fail to comply with their verbal commands?
B. When you resist their attempts to take you into custody?
C. When you reach towards the gun?
D. When you establish a grip on the gun?
E. When you start the draw?
F. When the gun clears the pocket/waistband/holster?
G. When the gun is pointed at the officer?
H. When you fire the first shot at the officer?
BTW. Here is an interesting two minute video that shows just how fast someone can draw a weapon. Watch it to the end. LINK
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:04 pm to jbgleason
Is there a camera?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:04 pm to jbgleason
C
wouldn't even give them the chance to touch it
wouldn't even give them the chance to touch it
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:05 pm to jbgleason
B. is a cloudy area, but definitely C.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:05 pm to jbgleason
quote:
C. When you reach towards the gun?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:05 pm to jbgleason
Once you develop a true belief that your life or the life of someone else is truly in jeopardy
That's when anyone justifiably shoots someone. There is no hard rule, nor should there be.
You just hope that your belief will be adjudged reasonable for the average person in that scenario.
That's when anyone justifiably shoots someone. There is no hard rule, nor should there be.
You just hope that your belief will be adjudged reasonable for the average person in that scenario.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:05 pm to jbgleason
E.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:06 pm to jbgleason
quote:
C. When you reach towards the gun?
However, I can also see situations where resisting could cause difficulty in being able to decipher exactly what I'm doing therefore still making me at fault.
ETA: Also, if I get capped by some cops for being a criminal and making their lives harder, I would haunt the shite out of my parents if they started protesting. Why should people bitch about me being killed when the world is likely better off.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:07 pm to jbgleason
I'm pretty sure C is textbook.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:07 pm to jbgleason
Is it a regular gun or a assault gun?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:08 pm to jbgleason
Knowing no other information
quote:
C. When you reach towards the gun?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:09 pm to jbgleason
C.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:09 pm to jbgleason
C
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:10 pm to jbgleason
quote:
A. As soon as you fail to comply with their verbal commands?
No.
quote:
B. When you resist their attempts to take you into custody?
No, but I think you bear the risk of them misinterpreting your actions as going for your gun. You created the charged situation under these circumstances, so that No is qualified. If you passively resist, then no. If you actively resist, which results in flailing around, then maybe.
quote:
C. When you reach towards the gun?
Yes. Bang. Done. Suicide by cop.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:11 pm to jbgleason
C-H
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:12 pm to jbgleason
Depending on the circumstances, B could be enough to get shot.
Once you decide to move on to C, there's no question: you get leaky.
Once you decide to move on to C, there's no question: you get leaky.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:13 pm to jbgleason
With no other factors probably C.
If you are Jack Reacher, the guy in that Miami Vice video or have a known history of proficiency with a firearm maybe A or B.
If you are Jack Reacher, the guy in that Miami Vice video or have a known history of proficiency with a firearm maybe A or B.
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:14 pm to jbgleason
Do I have a body camera on or not?
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:15 pm to jbgleason
quote:
H. When you fire the first shot at the officer?
Give 'em chance baws
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:20 pm to jbgleason
A. As soon as you fail to comply with their verbal commands? ( NOT life threatening )
B. When you resist their attempts to take you into custody? ( Depends, Are you physically fighting them while carrying or actively running away? )
C. When you reach towards the gun? ( NOW would be when you die )
D. When you establish a grip on the gun? ( TOO LATE )
E. When you start the draw? ( TOO LATE )
F. When the gun clears the pocket/waistband/holster? ( TOO LATE )
G. When the gun is pointed at the officer? ( TOO LATE )
H. When you fire the first shot at the officer? ( TOO LATE )
B. When you resist their attempts to take you into custody? ( Depends, Are you physically fighting them while carrying or actively running away? )
C. When you reach towards the gun? ( NOW would be when you die )
D. When you establish a grip on the gun? ( TOO LATE )
E. When you start the draw? ( TOO LATE )
F. When the gun clears the pocket/waistband/holster? ( TOO LATE )
G. When the gun is pointed at the officer? ( TOO LATE )
H. When you fire the first shot at the officer? ( TOO LATE )
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