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re: New York Area Fire Commissioners Make History, Call for New 9/11 Investigation

Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67517 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:08 pm to
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The official excuse for the collapse of Bldg #7

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What conclusions that were presented do you find to be false?

Well Larry Siverstein said "well there's was such a terrible loss of life, we decided to 'pull it'. 'Pull it' is a controlled demo phrase.

YT
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57500 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:09 pm to
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Jet fuel wouldn’t make the steel beams slice in half and a building fall vertically demolition style.

Jet Fuel would melt the beams to a point where they would bend under pressure and fall sideways.


im guess you know how the twin towers were designed? I do.... Im wondering if you do.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:11 pm to
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Are there pics that show this gap?


Yes. From police helicopters.
Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
7855 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:11 pm to
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Well Larry Siverstein said "well there's was such a terrible loss of life, we decided to 'pull it'. 'Pull it' is a controlled demo phrase.

So easily debunked. Such a sign of a lack of research skills by the conspiracists.

NO DEMOLITION CREWS EVER use the phrase "Pull It" in any way, shape, or form. YOU ARE FAKE NEWS!
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:13 pm to
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Go on......



Money and fame are as far as it needs to go...unless you think these "investigations" would be cost free?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:16 pm to
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Not sure which actually failed, but shear or tension would have caused failure long before compression/buckling.


I agree.
After the first level fall onto the one below it, the collapse is even faster. That said, the buildings did not free fall.
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:17 pm to
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No conspiracy theorist in the history of ever has ever done so.


I agree.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67517 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:17 pm to
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So easily debunked. Such a sign of a lack of research skills by the conspiracists. NO DEMOLITION CREWS EVER use the phrase "Pull It" in any way, shape, or form. YOU ARE FAKE NEWS

OK Einstein then what did he mean by 'pull it'? What could they actually 'pull'?
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:17 pm to
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never looked into all the rumors of stories that some were not in the building that day and had insurance. Even snopes half way admits this.



I don't know about that angle. I've heard similar things. What's not up for debate is that the NYPD and FBI caught undeclared Israeli Agents with apparent foreknowledge of the event, filming it and celebrating. Much information has been obtained through FOIA, despite their attempts to redact it
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67517 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:19 pm to
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unless you think these "investigations" would be cost free?

No

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Money and fame are as far as it needs to go

How are they going to MAKE any money on this? Fame? More like ridicule
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:19 pm to
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Well Larry Siverstein said "well there's was such a terrible loss of life, we decided to 'pull it'. 'Pull it' is a controlled demo phrase.



That is a meme.
The "pull it" refers to the firefighting effort.
Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
7855 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:20 pm to
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OK Einstein then what did he mean by 'pull it'? What could they actually 'pull'?

The fricking FIRE CREW that was trying to save the building!!!

How do you conspiracists NOT open-mindedly take the most obvious answer? You think Silverstein was giving an order, ON-CAMERA, to use the "secret explosives"??? Seriously, and I mean this with all due respect… how could you be that stupid to believe that?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:21 pm to
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OK Einstein then what did he mean by 'pull it'? What could they actually 'pull'?


The team of firefighters.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57500 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:23 pm to
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Something went on with that one.


Maybe the 20 story structural gap created by the falling debris had something to do with it?
well tiger stadium created an earthquake in the soft soild around LSU just by cheering.


extrapolate that to having around 500,000 tons falling from the sky onto the ground across the street. IMHO that would cause a pretty massive shake in the ground similar to an earth quake. Now, that happened twice. It seems pretty plausible a next door building could have crumbled from that force.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124372 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:23 pm to
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You can't see that conversation happening behind the scenes somewhere?

No.

Further, the collapses each initiated at the fire level.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:24 pm to
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How are they going to MAKE any money on this? Fame? More like ridicule


Same way a politician makes money from a movement. Speaking engagements, funding to their offices needed from the extra work, etc.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57500 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:24 pm to
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Not sure which actually failed, but shear or tension would have caused failure long before compression/buckling.


I agree.
After the first level fall onto the one below it, the collapse is even faster. That said, the buildings did not free fall.

do yall even torsional local buckling, bro?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
147700 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:25 pm to
yeah I am gonna havta ask for a link for this.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67517 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:25 pm to
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How do you conspiracists

So if someone questions any "official story" they're a conspiracy theorist?

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You think Silverstein was giving an order, ON-CAMERA, to use the "secret explosives"???

Not sure if serious but this interview was AFTER 9/11.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:26 pm to
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You think Silverstein was giving an order, ON-CAMERA, to use the "secret explosives"??? Seriously, and I mean this with all due respect… how could you be that stupid to believe that?


Not only that, but from the first signs of the loss of structural integrity to the actual collapse was over 4 hours. Thats one mighty slow controlled demolition!
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