re: New York Area Fire Commissioners Make History, Call for New 9/11 Investigation

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Why would the fire commissioners do this if they didn't at least have some evidence?

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Appeal To Authority is a well known logical fallacy.


What if I said "Why would a Senator say there is absolute evidence of Trump collusion with Russia if it is not true?"


Prima Facie bullshite still stinks even when an "expert" shovels it out.

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Jet fuel wouldn’t make the steel beams slice in half

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Well bombs don't slice beams in half either.

Laser beams?

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I do, but I don't think that happens until the horizontal beams lose their strength and the vertical beams are effectively lengthened.

I also think that could undermine the almost completely vertical pancaking that occurred.

Any of these, though, should be more than sufficient to demonstrate that material failure due to heat was the failure mechanism.

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and i could say you are wrong by saying the failure mechanism is a freakin plane crashed into the building. Im mildly messing with you. and yes the strength of materials correlates to its temperature. But the failure mode isnt heat. it was shear failure, or web crippling, or local buckling, or flange yielding or, lateral torsional buckling, etc.

The south tower collapsed within an hour of being hit, nobody is setting up controlled charges with that kind of response time. Where do u people come from?

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I have very little knowledge about 911 truthers accept from my brilliant son... he swears that planes did crash as we all saw. But there was also explosives, that the planes impact would not have brought down the towers.

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A friend worked on a spooky case of an apartment high rise. It was a steel i-beam building with concrete slab floors. A fire had gutted one of the middle floors. Everything had be stripped down as part of the investigation and the i-beams were revealed to be twisted and warped. The only fuel for that fire was furnishings and such.

Imagine several thousand gallons of jet fuel raging through a floor of the WTC. Steel melts.

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How about thermite?

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Super duper nano thermite? Thermite doesn't cut through anything at an angle unless there is something channeling it and it will be far from a precise or clean cut. Go watch somebody thermite weld a railroad track section.

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and i could say you are wrong by saying the failure mechanism is a freakin plane crashed into the building.

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Did the buildings come down right after impact? If the planes crash into them without full fuel tanks, do the buildings come down?

The people that jumped out of the window didn’t die because of the fall. It was the sudden stop at the end. Put a safety net there and they don’t die.

Failure mechanism means what actually failed, not the initial action that started a chain of events.

ETA: Downvote this all you want, but you sound like a librarian trying to explain engineering.

Thermite adhesive stripping would.

South Tower collapse video showing exterior columns buckling

It's conclusive and clear as day. 0:07 mark. The exterior columns buckle and the building fails.

People who think this was anything other than the result if the jet impacts and subsequent fires from the jet fuel/office furnishing/papers/etc. are fricking retards.

Period.