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re: Why didn't we use the South Korean approach?

Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:42 am to
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 8:42 am to
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after the CDC failed, Trump acted like a LEADER and forced the CDC/FDA to get out of the way so private testing could be done

and it has been very successful in making up for the gap that the CDC left us in



The CDC was determined failed by all labs they sent the test kits to, by middle February, if not a few days sooner. It took until middle March to get out of the private labs' way? Do you know how long a month is, during an ongoing novel pandemic?? You call that leadership? Every one of those obstacles, the Trump Administration knew they would be obstacles months - if not years - before 2020, and it still took the nation becoming infected before Trump "led"?


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you criticize him for not acting like a dictator while claiming he acts like a dictator

tell me again how SK didn't use the surveillance state to thwart early spread of COVID-19, and how their TOTALLY not authoritarian moves could work in the US. please focus on the comparable CCTV coverage as well as state intrusiveness in sensitive, personal data.


The CDC, FDA, FEMA, and the Defense Production Act are not considered dictator powers by the federal government, nor by Congress. I haven't not criticized Trump for not acting like a dictator - you need to create the strawman in order post emoticons, take it to the Rant.....

South Korea has been regarded by the United States government as a liberal democracy since the late 1980s. By what you mean with SK using "the surveillance state", you need to explain more. To reply to the OP of this thread, South Korea recognized the threat of COVID-19 early, and had an established plan/program of working with its national industry and manufacturers to coordinate the development of mass numbers of testing, which they had very early on.

They mass-tested their populace - even tested asymptomatic citizens - and were able to map out regions of contaminant of the virus early on. Then they focused hard on quarantining those regions, and practiced social distancing and economic shutdowns for those regions immediately, and saw a drastic decline of the infection's spread as a result.

One could make the argument that the SK government's direction and organization of private corporation cooperation with the government as being a form of "authoritarian" influence, but it's a pretty weak effort of spin.


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TRUMP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL FEDERAL ACTS BUT HE WOULD ALSO NEVER GIVE UP POWER RAWR


because the CDC cost us all of Feb and Trump change policies and the CDC/FDA gave up control and private industry did work

the timeline you posted is an argument for how Trump handled this crisis well in the face of bureaucratic failure by the CDC



You're trying in a very pitiful fashion, to somehow dissect several federal agencies/departments that ANY U.S. President is supposed to be responsible for, from Donald Trump's responsibility. You keep referring to Trump's LEADERSHIP:


quote:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Nov 8, 2013
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.



The CDC doesn't do anything without approval of Trump. Again, the Trump Administration knew for years how poorly prepared the U.S. was for a pandemic, and he did nothing but whittled down the CDC's effectiveness to rapidly respond to COVID-19, and did nothing but allowed the U.S.'s federal response overall to COVID-19 to stumble and stagger.....
Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
4989 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:15 am to
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and he did nothing but whittled down the CDC's effectiveness to rapidly respond to COVID-19


You want to explain to the group exactly what Trump did that whittled down the CDC's ability to respond?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124189 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:28 am to
The lab was CDC’s central laboratory complex in Atlanta. That was the only manufacturing lab involved.

The CDC insisted on closing the manufacturing process to outside labs under the auspices of quality control. There were no other "labs" involved in manufacturing the shitty CV19 tests.

IT WAS DONE ENTIRELY BY THE CDC.
PERIOD!


The CDC Lab was run by the "experts" you laud. It was their baby. It assembled the kits within a lab space that was also handling synthetic coronavirus material. That was GradeA stupid. Trump had zero to do with that stupidity.

Nonetheless, the stupidity could have been recognized had the CDC simply employed intermittent QCTs. They did not. Instead in essence, the CDC doubled down on stupid. As a result, they didn't find out the tests were crap until they were fully deployed, and had failed in the field in early Feb. By that time, the rest of the world possessed remaining RNA reagent supply, along with swabs, etc.

At that point, Trump intervened.
He kicked the Redfield/Fauci CDC model to the curb.

He went to a business-oriented all-hands-on-deck approach. Any available, capable US resources were tapped. Our domestic labs, which the CDC had initially deliberately excluded, were tasked to rebuild an inventory from nearly ground zero. Today more than 230 test developers are seeking FDA authorization for their tests; 20 have been granted. An additional 110 US laboratories are using their own tests.

Trump's public-private partnership producing ~ 10 million tests to detect a single virus in such a short time frame is unprecedented. Since mid-Feb in this system, Trump's system, we've produced twice as many tests as any other country in just over 50% of the time.
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