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re: I hope we get the same Brennan back as 2020 for the bama game or at least the Aggie game.

Posted on 9/13/21 at 7:27 pm to
Posted by bulletprooftiger
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 7:27 pm to
It’s not a deflection. My point is he isn’t mobile enough to play this season and he obviously wasn’t mobile enough to play this season. Only Mike Vick, RGIII, or Lamar Jackson could make a difference behind this crappy offensive line.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 7:28 pm to
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It’s not a deflection. My point is he isn’t mobile enough to play this season and he obviously wasn’t mobile enough to play this season. Only Mike Vick, RGIII, or Lamar Jackson could make a difference behind this crappy offensive line


This is so wrong. You are just showing your ignorance.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 7:35 pm to
And that logic is completely ignorant because it’s already been proven false which is why I posted the numbers. An injury doesn’t erase that fact.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 7:39 pm to
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What’s predictable is the completely one sided context and straw men you guys constantly use to skirt the facts. Also claiming that he outplayed Trask, who threw for double the yardage Max did, while ignoring the turnovers our “Defense” created which led to 21 points just proves my original statement.

Haha. What? Trask threw two interceptions including a pick 6. Max, in his first start on the road with the majority of LSU's best offensive players missing, had zero turnovers and 3 TDs. Trask throwing for more yards is meaningless. It was the worst defense in LSU's 125+ year history, and on top of that, Stingley didn't even play, and Flott was ejected in the 1st quarter. Yet, LSU still got 2 picks against him.

Max Johnson didn't give Florida the ball or points (like Trask did to LSU) while throwing TDs and moving the chains with his feet. And since it was a 3-point win, that pick 6 was pretty damn huge in the game.

This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 7:43 pm
Posted by The King
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 7:54 pm to
This thread title is like when your grandfather unwittingly writes an entire email in the subject line.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 8:27 pm to
You completely missed what I said but let’s apply your previous logic about not having certain guys to another example. Is Brennan better than Burrow? Going by your logic Brennan didn’t have Chase or Jefferson or CEH or that award winning Oline and still put up similar numbers so he’s better right? Or is your logic selective and only works when you need it to support your bias?
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:06 pm to
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You completely missed what I said but let’s apply your previous logic about not having certain guys to another example. Is Brennan better than Burrow? Going by your logic Brennan didn’t have Chase or Jefferson or CEH or that award winning Oline and still put up similar numbers so he’s better right? Or is your logic selective and only works when you need it to support your bias?

Not at all. You are the one who brought up Brennan putting up better numbers first. I just pointed out that you conveniently left out that Johnson played without Terrace Marshall Jr, Arik Gilbert, John Emery and TDP. Max Johnson wasn't named SEC Offensive Player of the Week for nothing against UF. That's non-biased people who voted to give him that honor and he was the first LSU QB to ever throw 3 TDs in The Swamp. My point was that he played a big part in those last two wins even though you clearly tried to downplay his role. They were good team wins and he played his part well.

I hope Myles gets back fast and can help us win games and I'm open to seeing what Nuss can do at any moment considering how our offense has looked, but that doesn't mean I need to discredit Max's accomplishments from last year.

Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:18 pm to
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Are some of you so dumb that you really think the only way a QB can get around having a bad OL is to run away? Mobile QBs struggle behind bad lines too.

nah bruh. Every QB who's ever faced pressure just back pedals giving DEs a straight line to rush and jumps up and throws the ball behind his WRs. It's the best you can expect.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:31 pm to
Brennan had his issues last year, particularly in the opener against MSU. He held the ball too long and his footwork in the pocket seemed questionable at best.

That said, I thought he looked way better in game 2 (Vandy, so take it or leave it) and game 3 (Mizzou). I get why people were railing in him for the third down stats, but I think that’s being willfully ignorant of the difference in offensive philosophy/play calling we have seen with the different quarterbacks.

We took a ton of shots deep with Brennan and had success doing it, but it also put us in a lot of 3rd and long situations. Conversely, we have played a lot of “dink and dunk” football with Max which has made 3rd downs much more manageable but has also resulted in a lack of explosive plays.

In my opinion, we are seeing the reality of the two QBs’ strengths. Brennan throws as good of a deep ball as I have ever seen. I don’t think this is really up for debate. However, he seemed to struggle with a lack of touch in short throws - an area where I think Max is strong despite the rash of drops we have seen so far this year.

Personally, I think they were asking Brennan to do too much and I think they haven’t been aggressive enough with Max. I think both would struggle with the lack of pass protection or any semblance of a running game that we have seen this year. But I also think Brennan’s potential to burn defenses deep would at least force them to rethink the strategy of loading the box and sending LB’s on every play.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48019 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:41 pm to
So when I mention the rest of the team and what they did that’s downplaying what Max did? Talk about projection.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:43 pm to
After watching some of those highlights, I can't believe I'm going to say this...

Last years team was better than this years
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48019 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:47 pm to
You could be right if things don’t change quickly. Put Nuss in there, use Goodwin and Kiner as your 1-2 punch at RB, stop rotating so many WRs and go with Boutte, Palmer and Bech 80% of the time or more, get Clarke out of there, find a safety who’s not scared to hit somebody and for frick sake play Mason Smith and Roy together.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24285 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:09 pm to
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So when I mention the rest of the team and what they did that’s downplaying what Max did? Talk about projection.


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Max needed 9 turnovers, defensive scores, a shoe throw, a record long FG in thick fog and a solid running game to get those 2 wins that everybody gave him the sole credit for.

Sorry, but that sounded like you were slightly downplaying his contribution to the wins and then mentioned that everybody gave him sole credit for the Ws (which was also not the case, but yes, I get that the QB often gets too much credit/too much blame depending on the outcome). As I said, it was a team win and he played his part well. Pretty sure you were praising him too.

Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48019 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:14 pm to
I wasn’t trying to do that, I actually like Max. What I was trying to explain was that the hype around him all summer didn’t reflect what we’d seen from him on the field. He did a great job of being smart and making plays against Florida but he did have a lot of help and it was much more of a team effort than it was him carrying us to that win. Ole Miss he was even better regardless of them being such a bad D but we did force 6 turnovers. Both games were very close so you can’t just ignore those things and simply say Max won the games alone or did almost all the heavy lifting. That’s all I meant.
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 10:20 pm
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24285 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:31 pm to
I see. I agree with all of that too. Our fan base is quick to anoint a QB as the future after one good game or two and then they want that same QB to get lost the following week after a bad outing. It happened with TJ Finley last year. There are usually going to be some growing pains with young QBs no matter how promising they may look after a game or two.
Posted by 5Alive
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:45 pm to
Are you dumb enough to believe that a non mobile QB is going to succeed behind this oline? Especially with no running game. Furthermore with said QB absolutely terrified of being hit. Let’s not forget that. Take it another step that QB had an abysmal 3rd down conversion rate. But yea he’s the savior.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48019 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:48 pm to
Well I kept trying to explain to some posters that making these lofty proclamations about Max was goin to cause a knee jerk reaction if things didn’t go right early on. Max right now is a game manager who needs the complimentary components around him working to have success. He just doesn’t have the raw natural ability to offset his lack of experience. In our offense the QB has to be able to carry it alone sometimes, either by making bigtime throws or by making excellent decisions almost all of the time. Max just isn’t at that level yet.
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 11:06 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48019 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:54 pm to
Max’s 3rd down% was 17% last year and you’re assigning a team stat to one player. Since that post is so ignorant I feel like I should tell you that running plays are included in a teams 3rd down% because apparently you don’t know that.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9581 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:54 pm to
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Furthermore with said QB absolutely terrified of being hit.

I’m not sure where this narrative stems from, but it seems like an invention of tRant.

The play before Brennan’s injury, he got blown up at the 2 yard line, trying to score after a 7 yard run. Then the next play (supposedly when the injury occurred) he gets yanked down to the ground by a safety - right after delivering a TD pass to Marshall.

He very well may be afraid to get hit now, after his injuries. But I don’t see how anyone could actually have any evidence to support that theory. He certainly was not acting like he was afraid of contact in that Mizzou game.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48019 posts
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:56 pm to
I’m convinced guys like that either didn’t watch the games last year, didn’t pay attention if they did or were too drunk to remember the games. It’s like they saw this stupid narrative on the Rant, it fit their bias, so now they just repeat it.
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