re: So protein has 4 calories per Gram...

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just to prove you wrong

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I’m just an unbiased observer. I follow the science.

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150 g of rice.

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I’m so triggered you used cups for everything but the rice

The 4000 was hyperbolic

Let's say your TDEE is 2100 calories

You could very easily eat in excess of that eating healthy foods

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You could very easily eat in excess of that eating healthy foods

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I don't know a single person who is obese or even overweight who has consistently been on any diet be it Animal Based 30, Carnivore, Ketogenic, Ketovore, etc. where they are eating real whole foods and avoiding fake processed garbage. You can argue whether that is sustainable or not but people seem to be able to do it. It's really really hard to become a fat slob on an elimination diet even eating like a pig. Its very difficult. Compare 700 'calories' of McDonalds to 700 'calories' of real whole foods. The real foods are a much bigger portion of food and this doesn't even take into account what happens in your body after you eat these things. Acting like 700 'calories' of new york strip steak is the same as 700 'calories' of a DiGiorno frozen pizza is fricking stupid for several reasons. Or acting like 500 calories of lucky charms is the same as 500 calories of 85/15 grass fed beef. Its lunacy but this is what you morons are promoting.

I don't disagree that the quality of calories differs

But someone can easily eat in a caloric surplus eating only healthy foods

You're just making up shite to be argumentative at this point

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Sure but the total impact and result(s) of eating those foods will be different because despite all the kicking and screaming on here all calories are not created equal nor are the quality of those calories created equal. For example someone eating 2,000 calories a day of pop tarts, tv dinners, and oven pizza isn’t going to have the same outcomes of someone eating 2,000 calories of eggs, grass fed beef, and steak.

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Yes because of satiety factors

But someone can easily overeat on eggs and steak.

Personal anecdote...I'm trying to keep my calories in the 1700 range to stay in a consistent deficit. I would have no problem eating 2500 calories of eggs and steak. It wouldn't make me feel uncomfortable or stuffed. It would be easier to do that than to remain in a deficit.

Yes the satiety from those items is superior than refined carbs and other garbage like pop tarts. But it's still very easy to consistently hit a caloric surplus eating "healthy foods" and if you disagree you're simply not being a realistic person.

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The outcomes of someone who is exercising multiple times a week be it simply walking or going to a gym and resistance training and eating a surplus of eggs and steak vs someone eating a surplus of pop tarts and tv dinners are going to be far far different. It’s a fact. You guys can kick and scream all you want. 800 ‘calories’ of lucky charms does not equal 800 calories of grass fed beef for many different reasons. I don’t care if you don’t get off the couch eating those two things every day are going to produce two different outcomes and scenarios over time.

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None of that has anything to do with the fact that you can easily eat in a caloric surplus with eggs and steak

Eating in a caloric surplus is easy

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this the longest thread in H/F Board history?

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There’s a running thread right below this one that has over 600 pages.

Not all thread lengths are measured in pages my friend