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re: LSU Basketball Recruiting Thread: 2024 (And Beyond)
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:56 pm to The Shaqtus
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:56 pm to The Shaqtus
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Brother, Hunter Dean made 4 three pointers in his 5 year college basketball career. He is not a shooter
True he only made 4, but all were this year. He was 4 of 7 on 3s this year. He may not have been a shooter in the past, but he learned how to shoot. It’s true that that’s not his game, but he offered some efficient offense and intangibles. It seems that he should have another year as a graduate due to COVID.
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:50 pm to Lapaz
Does anyone know what we are gonna do with our final roster spot? A center? A wing? Any names we can pursue? Like legit centers?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 2:32 am to The Shaqtus
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Brother, Hunter Dean made 4 three pointers in his 5 year college basketball career. He is not a shooter
I explained to you why he didn’t shoot 3s in college despite having the ability to, but ignore that if you want... but I'll reiterate it for you again even though you're going to ignore me once more.
Coming out of high school HD was 6'7'' and 190lbs. He was a wing player that could shoot, dribble, pass, and score. He was also extremely athletic. Fast forward to today he is listed as 6'10'' and 250lbs. Like I've stated numerous times, he had a growth spurt once he entered college. This whole "he made four three pointers in his whole college basketball career" argument falls off when you look at his year by year stats and realize for his first two seasons he did not play much at all to accumulate any stats as well as realizing that upon reaching college he had a growth spurt that caused the coaching staffs at his various schools to change his playstyle.
Fast forward to his junior year at GW. He is 6'10'' and 232lbs. He hit his growth spurt and also gained weight, while maintaining his athleticism. A such, the coaching staff at GW converted his game into a pick and roll center as he was among the best athletes in the A10 and this provided the most efficient offense for him. It was the path of least resistance. Watch his highlights from both seasons at GW and you will see that he scored exclusively from pick and rolls. In fact, he was so effective at this (58.5% 2pt FG JR year, 64.1% 2pt FG SR year) that this became his game. (And yet he came to LSU and barely got to be utilized in the PNR despite having a PNR centric PG... classic MM
) Say what you want about warmups... I don't think they are the best judgment necessarily, either. However, I am not using solely warmups to base my judgment. They are one aspect that helped get the gears in my head turning. I would understand dismissing him making a few in a row. But 5-10 in a row before multiple games? This caused me to do a deep dive and figure out why he wasn't getting these looks in game. In warmups, our good shooters like Wilkinson, Ward, and Cook rarely came close to making that many in a row. Most struggled to even make 2 or 3 in a row. Even Benhayoune who is a good shooter never did. I am not trying to insinuate that Dean was a better shooter than these players, just that he could shoot and deserved to be allowed to show it. Plus, his shot form is actually fluid. He has the shot form of a shooter. It is much more mechanically sound than Baker who is a stretch 5.
It is also far more fluid than Jalen Reed yet he was given the green light numerous times this year. Would you trust Jalen Reed to shoot instead of Hunter Dean for game??? I wouldn't. But yet he shot 39.4% on 1 3PA per game. Would you consider Jalen Reed a stretch four??? I wouldn't.... stats can be misleading when you don't contextualize them.. you have to use the eye test, do research, and go below the surface.
There were numerous times where HD was wide open this year but looked hesitant to shoot. It's almost like he was instructed not to by the coaching staff and chose not to shoot because he didn't want to risk losing the little PT he already had. I believe it was after the Missouri game (I know for a fact it was one home game at the end of the season) where he made a three or a pair of threes and McMahon remarked in the press conference that after HD drained a three he looked over to the coaching staff in a way to say "I told you so" and that he should be allowed to shoot more threes. Plus McMahon went on record at a press conference saying "there are a lot of misconceptions about Hunter Dean. He tested as the second best athlete in our program."
I would agree with McMahon that there are a lot of misconceptions about him. I'm also aware you're going to ignore all of this and say "he's not a shooter bro".
Here is a random video I found in my camera roll before the Southeastern Game on December 1. It's a video of him hitting like 5 or 6 straight threes in warmups. The shot form is the biggest thing I want you to notice. Much more fluid and clean than Baker or Reed who were allowed to shoot way more.
HD shooting in warmups
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 3:47 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:06 am to jamarr
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there have been times when a star player gave up a scholarship to help the team and still were the star player. Jarvis varnado at Ms state did this.
this a COMPLETELY different scenario. hunter dean was not recruited to be the star. he was recruited for experience and to impact the culture. it would be different if he was a star and chose to give up a scholarship. he did not. he would have barely ever played had collins not had disciplinary issues as i've previously expressed... which you've continually ignored. collins was working his way back into the rotation and played more minutes against MVSU, Nicholls, Wake (HD DNP), and North Florida (HD DNP).
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scholarships are significantly less important now in the NIL era. walk on trace young drives a G wagon from NIL. walk-ons can make far more money than tuition costs.
like i've said before ad nauseum it is not about finances but what a scholarship represents. despite this, you continue to talk about walk ons and the bursars office when my argument as to why the scholarship made a difference was for what the scholarship represents outside of finances. you continue to straw man me and say stupid shite like "mcmahon should call the bursars office to see who he should play" when that's not at all what i'm arguing. there are differences between a scholarship player and a non scholarship player and it has to do with more than just how their tuition gets paid.
i have listed numerous reasons in multiple posts how a scholarship can impact playing time and role on a team outside of how tuition is paid... yet you continue to ignore this and bring up irrelevant shite like trace young's g wagon. good for him. i'm glad he's doing well. gets a free g-wagon to post tik toks all day.
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walk-ons the restaurant pays their tuition anyways. its not an issue the way you claim.
i have not once said finances were the issue. it is you who continues to bring them up because we disagree on whether or not a scholarship is more than just money. you refuse to accept that it means more than just who pays your tuition. regardless, i'm not one of the dumbasses who genuinely think mcmahon doesn't seek out NIL help, so i understand finances aren't a problem for us.
as i have repeated ad nauseum the scholarship situation has more to do with the implicit nature of being scholarship vs non scholarship than who pays for tuition, yet you continue to ignore this.
what are you gonna tell me next? samuel gaylor got a free rolex from walk ons? it doesn't fricking matter.
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they were down a scholarship so dean didn't get one.
and you don't think that if he was viewed as more important by the coaching staff he would have received a scholarship and another less important player would have been paid with NIL?
when you are limited on scholarships you grant them to players who are most important. you don't go and give your plan C guy a scholarship when you're on a restriction. it is clear that dean was never considered as important as other players for this reason.
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 4:29 am
Posted on 4/12/24 at 4:07 am to Lapaz
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It seems that he should have another year as a graduate due to COVID.
He won't but I wish he did. Not like he would play much anyway.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:09 am to Lapaz
quote:He has already played 5 years, including the COVID year.
It seems that he should have another year as a graduate due to COVID.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:16 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:You really gotta stop putting your own thoughts into the player's heads. McMahon lets EVERYONE shoot 3's.
There were numerous times where HD was wide open this year but looked hesitant to shoot. It's almost like he was instructed not to by the coaching staff and chose not to shoot because he didn't want to risk losing the little PT he already had.
What do you think is more likely? That McMahon singled out Dean as the one player over 2 years who should be instructed to not shoot 3's,
OR
Dean, having not shot a single 3 in a game over the previous 4 years, was hesitant to pull the trigger?
And where are you getting the Collins disciplanary stuff from?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:42 am to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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Here is a random video I found in my camera roll before the Southeastern Game on December 1. It's a video of him hitting like 5 or 6 straight threes in warmups. The shot form is the biggest thing I want you to notice. Much more fluid and clean than Baker or Reed who were allowed to shoot way more. HD shooting in warmups
That was an interesting warmup video. I counted 19 total shots by all of the players, and 14 went in, but Dean was 6 for 6. Take out his 6, and the rest of the shooters were 8 out 13. That is still 62%, which goes to show that it is easier to hit 3s in warmups, but 6 out of 6 is impressive even in warmups. That shows that Dean is a good shooter, and CMM should’ve allowed and encouraged him to shoot much more. That’s a blown opportunity. I still hope we could get him back as a 6th year graduate.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:31 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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there are differences between a scholarship player and a non scholarship player and it has to do with more than just how their tuition gets paid
I agree you said this a lot but have no evidence for it. just saying it doesn't count as evidence.
I repeat. the idea that Dean got less playing time because he wasn't on scholarship is entirely something you made up. no source, no evidence. just made up.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 2:35 pm to ForeverLSU5
Ward just announced he’s back for another season per his instagram.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:47 pm to tigersham
quote:I guess that thread about him leaving as soon as the season was over was complete BS. Who started that one?
Ward just announced he’s back for another season per his instagram.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:00 pm to mmcgrath
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guess that thread about him leaving as soon as the season was over was complete BS. Who started that one?
I think that thread has been deleted. it didn't make it seem more credible when the person called him "Trey" ward.
the thread is in the Google search results but when you click on it its gone from here.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 2:21 pm to ForeverLSU5
Added Bailey. Roster is set and looks like LSU will go without a single center on the roster. That's an extremely bold move for a team to go smaller after struggling to rebound last year.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 2:42 pm to ForeverLSU5
What’s the projected rotation as of now
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