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re: Texas insiders eventually expect to land James Simon after this weekend's visit
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:28 pm to Captain Crown
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:28 pm to Captain Crown
I guess it was a great idea to offer JT.
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Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:45 pm to ShreveportTiger35
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Commit or else. LSU isnt waiting on a RB recruit lol esp a RB
LSU would take Simon’s commitment any time between this very moment & signing day lol
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:29 pm to thunderbird1100
Is that our Frank gore jr we had a few years ago??
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:44 am to Lester Earl
I hope it doesn't come off sounding like copious amounts of copium, but has Simon already committed, they still would have taken JT's as well.
They probably should have talked with Simon about it first, like just a heads up.
Him finding out on Twitter or whatever appears to have rubbed him the wrong way.
Thats not to say he requires his permission, but if you want to have a transparent relationship, it has to go both ways.
They probably should have talked with Simon about it first, like just a heads up.
Him finding out on Twitter or whatever appears to have rubbed him the wrong way.
Thats not to say he requires his permission, but if you want to have a transparent relationship, it has to go both ways.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:48 am to Lester Earl
Yes Lester of course they'll TAKE his commitment. But like I said, no one is waiting on him, and signing JT shows that.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:58 am to ZenFNmaster
quote:in this case and probably all cases the lack of transparency comes from the recruit side. At least NIL had made the shopping for an offer part out in the open
Thats not to say he requires his permission, but if you want to have a transparent relationship, it has to go both ways.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:25 am to ZenFNmaster
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They probably should have talked with Simon about it first, like just a heads up.
Maybe, but he's had months to shite or get off the pot. He's not really in a position to get his panties in a wad. He's known all along there will be multiple RB's in this class. It's like getting mad at the girl you like for dating another guy when you've had almost a year to date her yourself and passed on the opportunity.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:50 am to Lester Earl
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Small backs tho
I would like to see Jasper Parker- Shaw in camp. He compares with Simon in size and catches the ball well out of the backfield. Interesting prospect.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:01 am to Lester Earl
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Body type matters, too.
205lbs holds different on a 5’7” guy (Corum/Schraeder/Gore) vs a 5’11” / 6’0” player.
If I have to have a small RB I’d rather them be short.
None of those guys were 5'7. Corum was 5'7 3/4", Gore 5'8, Schrader 5'8.5" all at the combine.
Jordan was 5'9.5" and Shipley a flat 5'11 as well. All these guys had no problem carrying a load in college. On on3, Berry, Simon and Lindsey are all listed between 5'10.5-5'11. And all are between 177-190. Take an inch away or so from the heights and and consider these are juniors in high school and I wouldnt call any of them "gadget backs".
Saying guys at 200lbs are gadget backs just seems silly. Those barely even exist any more. How many Trindon Holliday's are running around for teams in college any more? Plenty of backs around 200lbs in college are bellcows and run for a lot of yards.
Now if you said something like a 170lb back, sure. but 200lbs? I mean maybe if'they're 6'1 6'2 or something.
BTW, coming out of high school those NFL combine backs I mentioned were listed at (on3):
Corum - 5'8, 185
Gore - 5'8, 170
Schrader - N/A since he was D2 no profile
Jordan - 5'9, 172
Shipley - 5'11, 210
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:05 am to winntiger
I like Parker too.
He is an athlete playing RB to me like Lindsey & Berry. Would be better suited at another position I think. But certainly a P5 caliber athlete
He is an athlete playing RB to me like Lindsey & Berry. Would be better suited at another position I think. But certainly a P5 caliber athlete
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:21 am to thunderbird1100
I sincerely apologize for not listing out every one of these players exact measurements
This is what 5’7” 205 looks like. Shorter guys fill out much differently & are built to play RB.
6’0” 205 guys tend to thrive at other positions. WR & CB, mainly.
Also gadget back isn’t an insult. I’m also fully aware who Will Shipley is. I respect all these guys, but it’s not the norm for SEC.
This is what 5’7” 205 looks like. Shorter guys fill out much differently & are built to play RB.
6’0” 205 guys tend to thrive at other positions. WR & CB, mainly.
Also gadget back isn’t an insult. I’m also fully aware who Will Shipley is. I respect all these guys, but it’s not the norm for SEC.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:32 am to Lester Earl
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I sincerely apologize for not listing out every one of these players exact measurements
But its just weird to me you'r enot calling Simon a "gadget back" but Berry and Lindsey are despite the fact they are listed within <15lbs of each other and basically within a half inch of height of one another. Just doesnt make any sense at all, and it really doesnt make any sense to classify 200lb guys as gadget backs in college/nfl etc
None of the 3 LA guys are gadget backs and can all carry a load. Not that loads are even really asked to be carried much any more. This isn't 2003, its modern CFB where vast majority of teams spread carries around and dont really ride 1 guy for 25 carries a game anymore. Fresh legs are a big deal in today's CFB and QBs in alot of instances have also taken a good bit of the running load as well. No 1 back inthe country averaged over 23 carries a game last season and only 7 guys in the country total had 20-23 carries a game.
The "Bell cow"/"gadget back" stuff is so old school nowadays
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:33 am to Captain Crown
Would love to have him but I would understand if he doesn’t end up here with 2 backs committed.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:50 am to Captain Crown
We have Harlem and JT. We're good.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:53 am to thunderbird1100
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are listed within <15lbs
Well, 15lbs is a lot. And certainly if a “speed” back were to gain 15lbs, they would lose some of what defined them.
Simon runs differently than the other guys, and is noticeably thicker. Would you disagree that they all do not have similar running styles? I’m not sure why you are so insulted & triggered by the gadget moniker lol.
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its modern CFB where vast majority of teams spread carries around and dont really ride 1 guy
It’s certainly more common but I would not say the “vast majority” prefer to use multiple backs. Most teams will by default will have a primary guy & a backup that will get run. The % split depends on the team. And it has been that way for awhile.
Looking at Harlem Berry, it will be a disservice to him to have a joe McKnight type career when he could potentially be a Malik nabers or morris Claiborne at another position. He wants to be a RB I’m sure, and you suit him. But getting 12 carries a game out of him is not getting a full bag.
Im ranting now, but the bottom line is James Simon offers you a pretty clear feature type back. “We have talented guys already” is fine, but you need a mix & you need a centerpiece & he is that. Then you funnel the other guys off of him.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:00 am to Lester Earl
Lindsey could easily be around 200. He's 185 currently on his On3. He'll gain around 10 from Jr to Sr year, and once he gets on campus the nutrition and weights will combine with natural growth.
I still really like Berry and Simon as the two best backs in the state. Lindsey is a solid back and kids from Ash have done well at LSU.
I still really like Berry and Simon as the two best backs in the state. Lindsey is a solid back and kids from Ash have done well at LSU.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:04 am to Lester Earl
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Well, 15lbs is a lot.
I said less than 15lbs, and 15lbs is not "a lot". Berry is within 13lbs and Lindsey 5lbs. These are all very similar sizes. Let's not pretend someone who is 190 is notably bigger than a guy who is 185 or 177 all within same height range.
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Simon runs differently than the other guys, and is noticeably thicker. Would you disagree that they all do not have similar running styles? I’m not sure why you are so insulted & triggered by the gadget moniker lol.
These guys are all more than capable of carrying college loads on them. They arent 5'11 160 or something. This is not 2003 any more, you dont have to have a 5'10 220 lb back as your #1 guy. Calling 200lb guys "gadget backs" was just plain silly, not sure why you cant admit that.
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It’s certainly more common but I would not say the “vast majority” prefer to use multiple backs. Most teams will by default will have a primary guy & a backup that will get run. The % split depends on the team. And it has been that way for awhile.
Again, last season nobody in CFB had more than 23 carries a game, only 7 backs in the entire country had between 20-22.something carries a game. These are not the days much any more where teams really just ride a dude hard. There's so much more passing and athletic running QBs now where it's very rare to find teams giving a ton of carries to 1 guy every game. The average carries a #1 RB has across CFB has continually dropped year over year.
Kaleb Jackson would be as old school of a bell cow type back out there and I doubt we're going to ride him for 20-22 carries a game on average. It's just way better in most cases to keep fresher legs out there.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:14 am to thunderbird1100
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Let's not pretend someone who is 190 is notably bigger than a guy who is 185 or 177 all within same height range.
It definitely is a lot.
Because 190 is “small” as it is.
177 is probably close to 0-1% tile for the position.
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Again, last season nobody in CFB had more than 23 carries a game, only 7 backs in the entire country had between 20-22.something carries a game. These are not the days much any more where teams really just ride a dude hard. There's so much more passing and athletic running QBs now where it's very rare to find teams giving a ton of carries to 1 guy every game.
I’m trying to see where these arbitrary numbers come from. Did I say somewhere I want a RB to have 25 carries?
College RB usage has not changed nearly as much as the NFL. You are trying to argue with me but I don’t disagree with you. I literally explained that in the last post. I don’t need 25 carries. But one of them has to be able to do traditional RB things
Or do you want a stable of 5’11” 195 RBs? Do you think that is common in SEC? I’m trying to see what the disconnect is here
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:18 am to SteveLSU35
Lindsey is a certified LSU-caliber athlete. But what I see on tape he just kinda takes the ball & runs & plays as the best athlete on the field. I struggle to see his style or characteristics that will translate into SEC games. Especially once he gains more weight. Can’t wait to see what he does and how he can expand his game as a Sr
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:43 pm to Lester Earl
Though I sure hope we land Simon, we have a big back in Jackson for at least the next 2 years. Then we have Caden Durham, who will be great and is a very good size running back for 3 years. If we don't sign Simon, we'll still be in good shape. And we have 2 more years to either recruit a "traditional big back", or get one in the portal.
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