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re: At some point our Baseball Program has to show development from within
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:03 am to mdomingue
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:03 am to mdomingue
You do realize being the HC at LSU pulls you in many more directions that being at Arizona. The speaking arrangements and demands on your schedule are more than most can handle. It is impossible for this to not alter habits and require at least minute differences.
Everything in a program matters and affects player development. Especially in a league as challenging as the SEC.
Everything in a program matters and affects player development. Especially in a league as challenging as the SEC.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:04 am to Safety Blitz
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it’s been wild how we have leaned on the portal for so much.
welcome to college sports in 2024
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:06 am to Stoic Poser
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CJJ can take credit for recruiting Berry and signing him, but Berry was developed prior to UofA.
so if a freshman has a good season, the college coach is just there for the ride. Got it
The mental gymnastics people do on here to try to prove a point will never stop being funny
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:52 pm to lsufball19
What's crazy is that the portal is still a pretty new thing; most coaches are guys who came up without it.
That being the case, where is LSU this year WITHOUT Holman, Braswell, and Bingham? Who's our Friday starter and everyday shortstop?
That being the case, where is LSU this year WITHOUT Holman, Braswell, and Bingham? Who's our Friday starter and everyday shortstop?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:08 pm to Safety Blitz
Kling was a serious miss.... he may need a fresh start somewhere else...
Braswell is a miss, super athletic, but doesnt mean hes a "ballplayer"
You got alot of money wrapped up in Hurd, he didnt work out, its ok, let him find it in pro ball when hes drafted.
The pitching staff is still loaded. even for next year.
you need hitters. guys that fkin swing it... guys who arent scared. big dick energy.
you get that, youre golden... till then, manage what you got. I have faith JAy will right the ship, hes a smart guy.
Braswell is a miss, super athletic, but doesnt mean hes a "ballplayer"
You got alot of money wrapped up in Hurd, he didnt work out, its ok, let him find it in pro ball when hes drafted.
The pitching staff is still loaded. even for next year.
you need hitters. guys that fkin swing it... guys who arent scared. big dick energy.
you get that, youre golden... till then, manage what you got. I have faith JAy will right the ship, hes a smart guy.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:14 pm to ProjectP2294
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I knew what you meant, but you singled out Morgan even though him and Crews were in the same class.
Brain fart on my part, for whatever crazy reason I thought Crews was there a year earlier. OLd man brain I guess, no way a guy like Crews stays beyond year 3
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:16 pm to TigerFan55555
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Braswell is a miss, super athletic, but doesnt mean hes a "ballplayer"
He doesn't hit the ball hard. He doesn't throw the ball hard. He's not exceptionally quick. He lacks straight line speed.
He essentially has no explosiveness and doesn't exhibit any qualities one would normally associate with being "super athletic". He's actually more of a ball player than athlete.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:27 pm to Safety Blitz
Jay has developed plenty of guys. It is one crap season and people just can’t wrap their heads around it. Jay has also developed plenty of the guys you actually listed.
What top teams aren’t also relying on stud transfer? Most are. LSU just missed on them this season. They usually hit on them. If we just hit on Montgomery we are likely 4-5 SEC wins richer. Instead A&M has the number 1 ranked team right now.
Frey hasn’t been the same since his injury. Some blame SEC pitching, but he did look much better prior to injury.
Travinksi is okay, but I didn’t expect him to be a stud.
Kling has struggled, but it happens.
What top teams aren’t also relying on stud transfer? Most are. LSU just missed on them this season. They usually hit on them. If we just hit on Montgomery we are likely 4-5 SEC wins richer. Instead A&M has the number 1 ranked team right now.
Frey hasn’t been the same since his injury. Some blame SEC pitching, but he did look much better prior to injury.
Travinksi is okay, but I didn’t expect him to be a stud.
Kling has struggled, but it happens.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:33 pm to Stoic Poser
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CJJ can take credit for recruiting Berry and signing him, but Berry was developed prior to UofA. So was Skenes So was Crews So was Tommy Tanks
Good grief.
Jay turned Skenes into a monster. Yes he was great, but give them credit for how they maximized him. Nobody saw quite that coming.
And yes, he gets credit for Berry.
Tommy Tanks had one season prior and hit a ton of homers, but let’s give Jay no credit. Give another coach all the credit for one season?
what are we talking about here? Jay had like the #1 offense in college baseball with great talent and doesn’t play in a tiny park. That is still worthy of credit. Why didn’t LSU having an offense like that when Jay wasn’t here? You had many of the same players. I just wish everybody would realize it is a down year, but LSU is far more likely to bounce back than repeat this. I would happily bet any of you negative fans giving up on Jay already.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:38 pm to TigerFan55555
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Kling was a serious miss.... he may need a fresh start somewhere else... Braswell is a miss, super athletic, but doesnt mean hes a "ballplayer" You got alot of money wrapped up in Hurd, he didnt work out, its ok, let him find it in pro ball when hes drafted. The pitching staff is still loaded. even for next year. you need hitters. guys that fkin swing it... guys who arent scared. big dick energy. you get that, youre golden... till then, manage what you got. I have faith JAy will right the ship, hes a smart guy.
Thank you. Not everybody pans out and it isn’t always on the coaching.
I would understand people’s criticism if this wasn’t right after so many veteran lefts after a championship. I would understand if there were two years of this.
I am going to say it again. What Jay Johnson did in year 1 at LSU is actually more impressive than what he did in year 2. He joined late and had no ace pitcher. People may have been disappointed in how that season ended, but it was remarkable how many games LSU won without a stud pitcher. He was not left with any pitching.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:39 pm to Safety Blitz
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Really disappointed that Travinski, Kling, Pearson, Frey aren’t carrying this thing.
One of these is not like the others. Hint: one of them has double-digit HRs and is batting over .300.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:40 pm to Safety Blitz
THis fan base would lose their minds and demand everyone fired, if we relied only on development from within.
We want to win now at all costs, and in the age of NIL and the portal, the only way to do that is with the portal.
And the portal is insanely hit or miss.
We want to win now at all costs, and in the age of NIL and the portal, the only way to do that is with the portal.
And the portal is insanely hit or miss.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:41 pm to Safety Blitz
But how long do you expect Jay to wait on guys to turn the corner?
He depended on these guys to do that this year and it hasn't happened, which begs the question if that affected his portal approach last year.
He can't afford to wait on development that may or may not happen and instead grab talent from the portal that can be instant contributors.
He depended on these guys to do that this year and it hasn't happened, which begs the question if that affected his portal approach last year.
He can't afford to wait on development that may or may not happen and instead grab talent from the portal that can be instant contributors.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:48 pm to Stoic Poser
quote:so every underclass man can attribute their development to where? Travel ball?
Jacob Berry freshman season at UofA .352 avg 19 doubles 17 HR 70 rbi CJJ can take credit for recruiting Berry and signing him, but Berry was developed prior to UofA.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:50 pm to TigerFan55555
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Kling was a serious miss
Let's be fair: If Kling is a miss, then the industry missed. He was ranked as high as the #51 overall draft prospect his Sr. year of high school. There is not one college coach in the country that would not have been overjoyed to get Paxton Kling on campus.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:56 pm to The Egg
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But how long do you expect Jay to wait on guys to turn the corner?
I think it will depend on each individual, as much of a copout as that may sound like.
I don't think he'll hesitate to cut bait on guys who have talent but aren't progressing because of buy-in, attitude, or work ethic. But guys that are working and it just hasn't come together yet will get more leash.
But yes, it absolutely affected his portal approach last offseason. He made comments about being more selective and relying on guys already here to make a leap forward.
The issue with the portal is how volatile it is. I'm just hoping there might be a couple freshmen in the Pac 12 that aren't too kean on their future travel arrangements. One of them is Kucherak's HS teammate and one is at Cal.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:02 pm to Safety Blitz
You can’t develop what isn’t there
Feel free to review this thread regarding what should be LSU’s Jr class. If you are unfamiliar with how baseball recruiting works, most classes are settled years in advance. In this case, PM was responsible for this class & Jay has done what he could to supplement the lack of talent.
Feel free to review this thread regarding what should be LSU’s Jr class. If you are unfamiliar with how baseball recruiting works, most classes are settled years in advance. In this case, PM was responsible for this class & Jay has done what he could to supplement the lack of talent.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:18 pm to Safety Blitz
This thread is dumb because you can pick from a number of guys to prove whatever point you are trying to prove. There are guys that have gotten better under Jay like Milazzo, Travinski, Beloso, Braswell (offensively not defensively). You also have guys that are supposedly very talented, but haven't improved, like Kling, Neal, Hurd, Pearson, Coleman.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:23 pm to Tigerfan1274
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: If Kling is a miss, then the industry missed. He was ranked as high as the #51 overall draft prospect his Sr. year of high school. There is not one college coach in the country that would not have been overjoyed to get Paxton Kling on campus.
Yep.
And he was batting leadoff as a true Fr on a team that would go on to win the NC.
If Kling never gets out of this funk, Jay will have to do some soul searching on how he got duped so bad.
I pull as hard as I know how for Kling and Neal and Pearson when they come to the plate. And will continue to do so. But at present, Kling is a CF version of Hal Hughes.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:40 pm to ProjectP2294
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He doesn't hit the ball hard. He doesn't throw the ball hard. He's not exceptionally quick. He lacks straight line speed.
He essentially has no explosiveness and doesn't exhibit any qualities one would normally associate with being "super athletic". He's actually more of a ball player than athlete.
he doesnt hit the ball hard because he doesnt release the barrel
hes quick enough, his footwork isnt good
he doesnt throw hard because his arm action is wrong.
he doesnt have straight line speed because he runs on his heels...
hes athletic for 6'2 200lbs
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