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re: For people who actually saw and remember both. Badger or Casanova?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:20 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:20 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
Watched them both. Tommy was as smooth as the wind; TM7 was lightning. Both incredibly athletic and poetry in motion (Tommy's pick against ND; TM7's flying spread eagle strip of UK QB and return for TD right in front of me in South End Zone). Both very smart, instinctive football players. I can't say either was the better.
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:26 pm to Tiger1988
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And he got beat in coverage by good TEs and receivers at times. Happened in the 2011 National Championship game. He wasn’t a great coverage db like Mo and Pat Pete. He could not take a hand off and do what Casanova did on offense and he wasn’t as big or physical of a tackler. It is a push AT BEST in returns. Casanova might have been better actually. There is no comparison in size. The only difference is forcing fumbles IMO.
Everyone knows Honey Badger isn’t a great cover cornerback. That’s not even what this discussion is about. He was an exciting game changer. Still a great player in the NFL. He is also a defensive leader. The competitiveness and heart to accomplish what he does at his size makes his teammates better. That’s why he was the defensive leader on the Kansas City Super Bowl winners. You can’t be a safety for a Super Bowl winner and not be a solid tackler. It’s actually phenomenal what he has accomplished at his size.
I’d go with him for his exciting playmaking and his competitive leadership which impacts his teammates.
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:41 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
Casanova’s work speaks for itself; three time All-American, world class speed, great ball skills. But these attributes, great as they are, are all quantifiable. They can be measured.
What Matthieu did as a football player defied logic and reason. It’s almost like he was able to bend reality. To this day I can’t explain or understand how it was possible to force all those turnovers in all those ways in all those key moments. It’s like he had a cheat code. Casanova was, on paper, one of the greats. Matthieu, is a glitch in the matrix.
What Matthieu did as a football player defied logic and reason. It’s almost like he was able to bend reality. To this day I can’t explain or understand how it was possible to force all those turnovers in all those ways in all those key moments. It’s like he had a cheat code. Casanova was, on paper, one of the greats. Matthieu, is a glitch in the matrix.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:04 pm to TigerBR1111
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Everyone knows Honey Badger isn’t a great cover cornerback.
Ummmm… No it isn’t.
Read the title
For people who actually saw and remember both. Badger or Casanova?
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That’s not even what this discussion is about. He was an exciting game changer.
And Casanova changed the game in more ways just different on the opposite side of the ball. He was a great returner. That is not debatable.
quote:this was about LSU.
Still a great player in the NFL.
Played a total of 5 years and made the pro bowl 3 and should have made at least 2 All Pro but got 1.
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That’s why he was the defensive leader on the Kansas City Super Bowl winners.
Still not relevant to this conversation. Has he done this?
Becomes a dentist and a state representative.
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It’s actually phenomenal what he has accomplished at his size.
And… that’s not Casanova’s fault he was more Troy Polamalu.
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I’d go with him for his exciting playmaking and his competitive leadership which impacts his teammates.
And I’m going with the guy that impacts the game in more ways.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:27 pm to Tiger1988
It’s nice you like to use your quotes all over your post. . Doesn’t help your argument though. The athletes Honey Badger was asked to cover every week in the SEC were on a different level than the ones Casanova covered. Probably why Casanova was converted to safety in the NFL.
Going with Honey Badger.
I get it. You’re an old timer stubbornly stuck on Casanova and dag gummit no one can convince you otherwise
Like I said I saw them both play but Honey Badger was the most exciting college defensive player I have seen.
A little past your bedtime isn’t it?
Going with Honey Badger.
I get it. You’re an old timer stubbornly stuck on Casanova and dag gummit no one can convince you otherwise
Like I said I saw them both play but Honey Badger was the most exciting college defensive player I have seen.
A little past your bedtime isn’t it?
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:19 pm to TigerBR1111
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It’s nice you like to use your quotes all over your post. .
I used quotes that were made in a lazy attempt to rebut 2 LSU players from different times and really played different positions. One happened to impact games in more ways than the other yet you find it “boring” I suppose. What people like you think is Casanova wasn’t fast. Line the 2 up in the hundred and see who would have won He was running 10.4-10.5 and would have likely won the state meet in 5A LAST SEASON considering the surface changes from -968 to what they have now.
You have not a freaking clue and probably never saw him play. And yes LSU played against integrated teams like he played against in the freaking pros.
It’s the same old BS that people believe “todays athletes are better” which is a bunch of bull shite.
This is like people talking about all those WR falling in Eugene. Dumbasses do not stop to think for one minute about the freaking TRACK SURFACE. Jessie Owens ran on cinder but people laugh at his 100 time. Just stupid..
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I get it. You’re an old timer stuck on Casanova.
I am a die hard LSU fan and ABSOLUTELY LOVE MATHIEU. I have an autographed helmet in my office and it is one of only a few things I really cherish in my collection. It sits with my Astros WS items. It is that important to me. I love the fact that he changed his life. I LOVE the fact that he supports LSU like he does. I LOVE the fact he wants to coach and dream of being on the sideline for LSU. This has nothing to do with my love of his gifts or what he has done for LSU. Nothing.
It is an analytical discussion for those of us that actually saw both players and I did a lot. I saw every single game of Mathieu’s career at LSU and when he played for the Texans.
Casanova was a better overall football player FOR LSU and it isn’t debatable. He would have certainly been a 4 time AA had they let him play. That hammy cost him a shot at Heisman. Or got drafted after 3 years.
He did it in college and the Pros as I pointed out before people get too stupid.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:24 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
Brother I am old but those people are probably mostly dead. Casanova is older than I am, you would have to be 90 100 years old.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 7:07 am to TutHillTiger
I think your math is off
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:26 am to TigerBR1111
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The athletes Honey Badger was asked to cover every week in the SEC were on a different level than the ones Casanova covered. Probably why Casanova was converted to safety in the NFL.
as was HB7
and it was discussed while he was still in college(or still had remaining college eligibility,) that if he was going to get a shot in the NFL it would be as a safety/nickel back, they're both great athletes, Casanova would do just fine in any era
Posted on 7/26/22 at 8:36 am to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
They really are about equal; but, as Marmalard said in 'Animal House,' they are 'each outstanding in their own ways.' :) LOL. Both were game-changers.
While Mathieu was a phenomenal play-maker and had a knack for being near the ball and causing turnovers, he also was a great punt-returner. He was strictly a DB, but could have made a good slot-back. He was a sure tackler and ball-stripper with uncanny timing.
Casanova was actually a two-way player. He played running back a little but was hurt sometimes. If not for time and games missed due to his injuries, he would have been a Heisman candidate-caliber player.
He actually was on the cover of one of the pre-season magazines and named 'the best player in America.'
He was a great punt-returner (returning 2 for TDs on 12/5/70 vs Ole Miss), and a great DB also with vicious tackling skills and a nose for the ball. One of my boyhood idols along with Bert, Andy, George and Mike.
While Mathieu was a phenomenal play-maker and had a knack for being near the ball and causing turnovers, he also was a great punt-returner. He was strictly a DB, but could have made a good slot-back. He was a sure tackler and ball-stripper with uncanny timing.
Casanova was actually a two-way player. He played running back a little but was hurt sometimes. If not for time and games missed due to his injuries, he would have been a Heisman candidate-caliber player.
He actually was on the cover of one of the pre-season magazines and named 'the best player in America.'
He was a great punt-returner (returning 2 for TDs on 12/5/70 vs Ole Miss), and a great DB also with vicious tackling skills and a nose for the ball. One of my boyhood idols along with Bert, Andy, George and Mike.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 8:38 am
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:00 am to lsusa
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:47 am to Tiger1988
Honey Badger would have been a very effective offensive player if asked to. Casanova only played running back early in his LSU career.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:22 pm to TutHillTiger
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Brother I am old but those people are probably mostly dead. Casanova is older than I am, you would have to be 90 100 years old.
Brother - you failed math in school. There are a lot of us here that were in school when Casanova played and I’m not 90-100.
What the hell is wrong with this lazy arse generation when you have frickING GOOGLE!
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:28 pm to TigerBR1111
quote:not at 5’9 MAYBE 160 when he got to LSU. His recruiting page said 5’10” 175 in high school and his combine profile had 5’9” 186. We know for a fact that he put on some weight while in college and in that off season before the combine. My guess is about 15-20 lbs.
Honey Badger would have been a very effective offensive player if asked to
Did he have the vision to run? Maybe. Could he take the pounding? No.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:45 pm to AlwysATgr
I watched both and the Honey Badger was like a magician, his skills were/are unique. Tommy was everyone's All American.A great great player. But TM is my 1a...
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:35 pm to logansrun
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I watched both and the Honey Badger was like a magician, his skills were/are unique. Tommy was everyone's All American.A great great player. But TM is my 1a...
Go look at the defense he played on and all of those all Americans. This ISNT about forcing fumbles.
Casanova was faster. A superior athlete from a physical form and more of a Polamalu type with FAR FAR better coverage skills especially on bigger players like TEs and other bigger receivers.
Mathieu was a playmaker because that is what he was allowed to roam because of those award winning AMERICAN CORNERS he had in Mo Claiborne and Pat Peterson and safeties his first year (plus those other corners and safeties) and Mo Claiborne and Eric Reid, Tharold Simon, that 2010 and 2011 defenses WERE ABSOLUTELY LOADED more than everyone else not named Alabama. When you have lock down corners, you can run “the mustang” package and let him roam.
Chavis and Mathieu would be linked forever because of this.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:41 pm to Tiger1988
Casanova was great. A 2 way performer and solid team player.
Honey Badger was incredible but I will also remember that his selfishness leading to his suspension for his senior year cost us a National Championship.
So I vote Casanova
Honey Badger was incredible but I will also remember that his selfishness leading to his suspension for his senior year cost us a National Championship.
So I vote Casanova
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:16 pm to TutHillTiger
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Brother I am old but those people are probably mostly dead. Casanova is older than I am, you would have to be 90 100 years old.
Casanova only played 50 years ago.
people who are 60 would remember seeing him.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:18 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
The badger
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:28 pm to Tiger1988
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Mathieu was a playmaker because that is what he was allowed to roam because of those award winning AMERICAN CORNERS
So what you’re saying is you could plug a lot of players in the spot and they would have done what Honey Badger did? That’s just idiotic.
He was a once in a generation game changing playmaker who made everyone else around him better. Everyone could see it except apparently you.
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