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re: Can somebody explain Goran Ivaniševic's 2nd serve strategy to me?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:51 pm to rickgrimes
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:51 pm to rickgrimes
I liked when he wore that ponytail on the very top of his head for about a year
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:05 pm to rickgrimes
When I play and I miss my first serve, I feel like I can make the necessary adjustments based on what I did wrong on the first attempt to get the second serve in. Perhaps he felt the same way.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:38 pm to Keys Open Doors
I used to play with a buddy that had that cut serve and it was brutal
he is RH, I am RH and when he hit it, it wouid kick my left to right
it would hit the ground and make a turn in the air and I would just flail
slide over and then he would blister one to my backhand side
he is RH, I am RH and when he hit it, it wouid kick my left to right
it would hit the ground and make a turn in the air and I would just flail
slide over and then he would blister one to my backhand side
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:43 pm to Kenny Wu
He wasn't the only one that did that in that era. Sampras would do that and in big spots quite frequently. Groan was a whale of a server, and his motion was almost what I would call abbreviated, it was so fast and with a ball toss that almost didn't look right for a guy that size. Man I loved that era.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:45 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
That’s what made Sampras great.: going for those big second serves at critical times.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:53 pm to rickgrimes
Rick, are you in our tigerdroppings clash of clans group?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:27 pm to McCaigBro69
They were still spinning it on second serves. Quicker racquet speed but keeping the ball in by brushing it.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 4:34 pm to Tvilletiger
Kyrgios does the same thing... when he isn't serving underhanded lol
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:11 pm to KosmoCramer
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ANALytics. If he faulted the 1st serve then it was statistically probable he would not fault the second. fwiw - I made that up I could care less about people hitting a ball over a net
Did you miss the part where he clearly said he was kidding?
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:12 pm to lsufan112001
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That’s what made Sampras great.: going for those big second serves at critical times.
Sampras really didn't "go for big second serves" so much as his second serve was just fricking amazing.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:13 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
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Groan was a whale of a server, and his motion was almost what I would call abbreviated, it was so fast and with a ball toss that almost didn't look right for a guy that size.
I loved his service motion. It was so natural.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:17 pm to MidnightVibe
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:34 pm to rickgrimes
Because the biggest part to Goran’s game was his serve if I remember correctly. Take his serve away and he was a middle of the pack at best pro tennis player. I am sure he felt several players actually had an advantage against him if he gave them a returnable second serve………Agassi comes to mind immediately.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 11:21 pm to rickgrimes
It’s a strategy that pays off when your opponent knows the 2nd serve is going to be just as hard or harder as the first. And it’s not that low of a percentage shot at higher levels. Muscle memory plays a large part as well. When you try to take 10-15mph off your serve, your muscles can misfire and the ball can go long or hit the tape. On the other hand, when your muscles are trained to fire in a certain sequence for max power repetitively, hard 2nd serves land in more than you think.
But if you’re having a bad day, you’re fked
But if you’re having a bad day, you’re fked
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:25 am to rickgrimes
I sat court level at the 1996 Olympics watching Goran play doubles. When he served, the sound the ball made whizzing through the air was pretty incredible. I played a lot of youth tournaments and played in high school. I returned a lot of 115-120mph serves. 135+ was a whole different animal. I think I would’ve just ducked.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:22 am to rickgrimes
I believe the last live tennis match I’ve been too was some 20 years ago between Goran and Courier.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:13 am to ned nederlander
Damn
I bet that was a fun match to watch.
I bet that was a fun match to watch.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:39 am to MidnightVibe
It was awesome. I was a teen though and didn’t fully appreciate just how cool it was. Sadly I no longer live in a city with a decent men’s tournament.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:48 am to ned nederlander
What a random arse thread.
But man, these names have me reminiscing big time. 90s-to-early-00s tennis was awesome and fun as frick to watch. I used to love watching Agassi, Sampras, Chang, Goran, etc. It was also fun to have Americans kicking arse as well, which hasn't been the case for a long arse time now. I know Chang never won much, but I used to love watching that dude chase down balls all over the place.
But man, these names have me reminiscing big time. 90s-to-early-00s tennis was awesome and fun as frick to watch. I used to love watching Agassi, Sampras, Chang, Goran, etc. It was also fun to have Americans kicking arse as well, which hasn't been the case for a long arse time now. I know Chang never won much, but I used to love watching that dude chase down balls all over the place.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:54 am to HammerJackFlash
quote:We don’t swing any softer on our second serve than our first. No top level player does. We simply hit a kick serve to give a larger margin of error. For Goran, and players like him, they have enough height to where hitting a flatter serve still has a high enough margin for error. Going for the flat serve twice isn’t that dangerous
And it’s not that low of a percentage shot at higher levels. Muscle memory plays a large part as well. When you try to take 10-15mph off your serve, your muscles can misfire and the ball can go long or hit the tape. On the other hand, when your muscles are trained to fire in a certain sequence for max power repetitively, hard 2nd serves land in more than you think.
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 9:56 am
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