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Humans: Inherently Good or Inherently Evil?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:53 am
Lets start a little debate on the board today. My guess is that most of you will argue that people are inherently evil. That people are selfish and will choose their own good over the good of others at every turn if given the opportunity. Since I think a lot of arguments for why people are evil will get shared, I will focus on the opposite side.
To play devil's advocate, I'd argue that people are born inherently good and learn from the selfish actions of others to be more selfish. I'd argue that young kids are more inclined to be tolerant and kind to each other. But over time, they get burned by trusting someone who is selfish and learn to be more guarded and look out for themselves more. I'd also argue that while you can point to individual actions and crime rates that overall people live in harmony and when disaster strikes, communities help each other. Hell we have a Volunteer Cajun Navy that puts their own lives at risk to help save people after natural disasters that involve flooding.
What do yall think?
To play devil's advocate, I'd argue that people are born inherently good and learn from the selfish actions of others to be more selfish. I'd argue that young kids are more inclined to be tolerant and kind to each other. But over time, they get burned by trusting someone who is selfish and learn to be more guarded and look out for themselves more. I'd also argue that while you can point to individual actions and crime rates that overall people live in harmony and when disaster strikes, communities help each other. Hell we have a Volunteer Cajun Navy that puts their own lives at risk to help save people after natural disasters that involve flooding.
What do yall think?
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Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:54 am to Bert Macklin FBI
We are “glorious ruins”
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:55 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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people are inherently evil. That people are selfish and will choose their own good over the good of others at every turn if given the opportunity.
just look at this place, baw
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:56 am to Bert Macklin FBI
People are inherently good as we are God's creation and God is good. Evil is earthly and built from sin.
Debate over.
Debate over.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:57 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Human beings are neither inherently evil or inherently good.
Human beings are inherently TRAGIC.
Human beings are inherently TRAGIC.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:58 am to LSUfan4444
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People are inherently good as we are God's creation and God is good. Evil is earthly and built from sin.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:58 am to Bert Macklin FBI
we're inherently selfish
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:59 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Inherently flawed
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:01 am to Dantheman504
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Inherently flawed
Well that is true but do you think the default is to help others or screw others over for our own gain.
Are laws and repercussions the only reason people don't murder each other in the streets?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:05 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I would ask for clarification as to what you mean by “evil”?
I do not believe that people are born inherently good, because we live in a fallen creation that has been separated from God by sin. I believe that we are born with that sinful nature. That does not mean that because we are sinful, we are evil, although there are some that would argue that all sin is, in fact, evil, and that is technically correct. But all sinners are not necessarily “evil” in the strictest sense of the word.
Just my opinion.
I do not believe that people are born inherently good, because we live in a fallen creation that has been separated from God by sin. I believe that we are born with that sinful nature. That does not mean that because we are sinful, we are evil, although there are some that would argue that all sin is, in fact, evil, and that is technically correct. But all sinners are not necessarily “evil” in the strictest sense of the word.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:06 am to Dantheman504
Good and evil is a human and earthly concept but it is both true that we are born flawed (sinners) but also born good (in the image of God).
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:07 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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What do yall think?
I think ledger's joker made a whole lot of sense in that interrogation scene.
“Their morals, their code; it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. You'll see- I'll show you. When the chips are down these, uh, civilized people? They'll eat each other. See I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve.”
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:08 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Is it nature, or nurture?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:09 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Inherently Good or Inherently Evil?
Why operate in such rigid binaries?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:10 am to Lsupimp
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In the Tragic Vision, humans are inherently limited in knowledge, wisdom, and virtue, and all social arrangements must acknowledge those limits. "Mortal things suit mortals best," wrote Pindar; "from the crooked timber of humanity no truly straight thing can be made," wrote Kant. The Tragic Vision is associated with Hobbes, Burke, Smith, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, the jurist Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., the economists Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman, the philosophers Isaiah Berlin and Karl Popper, and the legal scholar Richard Posner.
In the Utopian Vision, psychological limitations are artifacts that come from our social arrangements, and we should not allow them to restrict our gaze from what is possible in a better world. Its creed might be "Some people see things as they are and ask 'why?'; I dream things that never were and ask, 'why not?'" The quote is often attributed to the icon of 1960s liberalism, Robert F. Kennedy, but it was originally penned by the Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw (who also wrote, "There is nothing that can be changed more completely than human nature when the job is taken in hand early enough"). …
In the Tragic Vision, our moral sentiments, no matter how beneficent, overlie a deeper bedrock of selfishness. That selfishness is not the cruelty or aggression of the psychopath, but a concern for our well-being that is so much a part of our makeup that we seldom reflect on it and would waste our time lamenting it or trying to erase it.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:12 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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I'd argue that people are born inherently good and learn from the selfish actions of others to be more selfish.
Where did the selfish people get their selfishness from?
It has to be inherent on some level.
My answer: We’re both. We’re made in the image of God so we have inherent goodness, but we are not God so we are inherently imperfect.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:13 am to Bert Macklin FBI
We are made in the image and likeness of a loving God. We are inherently good but due to the fall of original sin we fight concupiscence and sin.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:14 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Both. The duality of man. Divine/evil.
Rational/irrational. We are irrational creatures living in a rational structure.
Rational/irrational. We are irrational creatures living in a rational structure.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:15 am to LSUfan4444
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Good and evil is a human and earthly concept but it is both true that we are born flawed (sinners) but also born good (in the image of God).
It's a complicated question at it's fundamental core. What is evil? How do we define it? According to the dictionary definition, evil is considered to be anything that is profoundly immoral & wicked. For something to be considered immoral, however, there must be an objective standard with which to compare the act in question. If there is not objective measure of what morality is or is not, it's untenable to then make judgements on what behaviors or acts are in violation of that subjective moral code. It's merely your opinion and not truly anything that is objectively immoral/evil.
If a person is of the opinion that there is one objective measure of morality, we all fall short of meeting that measure at least on any type of consistent basis. Therefore, if there is an objective moral standard, by definition, humans are immoral and therefore evil. If there is not an objective moral standard, then not only are humans not evil but evil itself doesn't actually exist.
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