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re: Seems like the Irish are tiring of the globalist agenda..
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:30 pm to YNWA
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:30 pm to YNWA
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It's a handful of Right Wing Irish that aren't happy about the Ukrainian refugees coming over. Ireland is still 2 million people short of the 8 million they had in 1840 before the potato blight caused them to flee Ireland. Plus the British taking their food and bringing it to England but that is for another day.
Yep, Ukrainians and Irish are completely fungible. And both are the same as Africans, too. Ireland "needs" some more bodies, so let's ship 'em in from wherever. Anyone who doesn't want millions of "refugees" imported into their country is a crazy right winger. After all, "diverse" populations are easier to divide and control, and less likely to advocate for their best interests.
This is how the globalist elites think.
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:37 pm to saint tiger225
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Have they already tried that?
I honestly don’t know, has any Western country even attempted to do so? explicitly? would it even be possible to publicly announce you want to boost the birth rate of native born citizens?
and would it even matter? what’s the difference between an Irishman and someone from eastern europe, aside from ethnicity, language, and religion. just throw them all in the “melting pot”
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:38 pm to saint tiger225
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Have they already tried that? Just curious, maybe that's why their government is allowing this. Maybe it's hard to get people to reproduce if they don't want to. Or, maybe people don't want to stay in an unstable country. However, if you're a refugee, that unstable country is probably still more stable than where you left.
Just saying, if they're still 2 million people short of their numbers in 1840, it's obvious something else is going on and that environment you speak of seems incapable of being created in Ireland.
Ireland isn't falling apart for lack of people. It's a pleasant place, with a nice economy, and its own history and culture. It never colonised anyone, either. Nonetheless, refugees for you. Everyone gets refugees under the globalist regime. And, if they bring instability with them, well, who could have foreseen that besides anyone paying attention to what happened everywhere else in Europe? Don't you want Ireland to have as many humans as it did in the 1840s?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:42 pm to WinnPtiger
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oh well in that case, let’s focus on changing the demographics of Ireland rather than creating an environment where Irish people populate above replacement level.
Do you think the latter hasn't been tried?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:44 pm to WinnPtiger
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honestly don’t know, has any Western country even attempted to do so? explicitly?
Yes.
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would it even be possible to publicly announce you want to boost the birth rate of native born citizens?
So I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the subject of demographics at all.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:44 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you think the latter hasn't been tried?
in modern times? since say, 1992? no I don’t
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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So I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the subject of demographics at all.
I bet you’re about to educate all of us
and even that misses the entire point, so we’ll argue semantics about unrelated bullshite without addressing the fact that the Irish populace, I assume, has a similar view on immigration that every Western nation has had since polling data became a thing
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:45 pm to saint tiger225
quote:Ireland wasn’t an independent republic until 1947 - it’s not like the Brits left this wonderful infrastructure in place where Ireland could really take off and be prosperous. Nor did the Brits want to help since they were rebuilding from WW2 and the hold in the North didnt create the best sentiment. Ireland wasn’t anywhere near prosperous until the mid 1990s - and then the EU ruined that
Just saying, if they're still 2 million people short of their numbers in 1840, it's obvious something else is going on and that environment you speak of seems incapable of being created in Ireland.
As for the people saying the Irish will do anything their Dublin overlords tell them, don’t know many Irish
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:48 pm to South21
Which brings to mind the old signs people hung up to keep the Irish out of establishments.
"No dogs and no white supremacists allowed"
"No dogs and no white supremacists allowed"
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:51 pm to WinnPtiger
[quote]in modern times? since say, 1992? no I don’t[/quote
Well, it's been tried for much longer than that. Sweden, Japan, South Korea, Hungary, Romania, and a few other states have tried 'explicitly' through various types of programs.
Demographic data is collated by governments and several governments and NGOs in their respective countries discussed how to raise native birth rates. The desire to raise native birth rates was one of the explicit reasons Western European countries sought worker programs from the 3rd World in the 50s and 60s, with those workers only getting a possible path to citizenship much much later.
The essential problem that no one has been able to solve is how to raise the TFR of a country above replacement once that TFR has fallen below replacement. That is the conundrum.
Well, it's been tried for much longer than that. Sweden, Japan, South Korea, Hungary, Romania, and a few other states have tried 'explicitly' through various types of programs.
Demographic data is collated by governments and several governments and NGOs in their respective countries discussed how to raise native birth rates. The desire to raise native birth rates was one of the explicit reasons Western European countries sought worker programs from the 3rd World in the 50s and 60s, with those workers only getting a possible path to citizenship much much later.
The essential problem that no one has been able to solve is how to raise the TFR of a country above replacement once that TFR has fallen below replacement. That is the conundrum.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:52 pm to WinnPtiger
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I bet you’re about to educate all of us
Your ignorance isn't my fault.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:56 pm to saint tiger225
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Maybe it's hard to get people to reproduce if they don't want to.
Are you talking about the junior anti-sex league?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:57 pm to crazy4lsu
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The desire to raise native birth rates was one of the explicit reasons Western European countries sought worker programs from the 3rd World in the 50s and 60s, with those workers only getting a possible path to citizenship much much later.
are you referring to visa programs specifically meant to help rebuild the infrastructure of the countries involved in the second war? I think you’re crossing veins between practical worker importation and wholesale immigration reform
Germany is a good example in particular. many of their politicians legitimately thought that the turks would just go home after their stint in construction was up. hell, even Merkel has alluded to that within the last 10 years. equating visa programs with attempts to boost native birth rate is completely missing the point
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:01 pm to South21
"We Are Not Far Right, Just Right So Far." 
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:03 pm to crazy4lsu
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The essential problem that no one has been able to solve is how to raise the TFR of a country above replacement once that TFR has fallen below replacement. That is the conundrum.
Tax and constrain what you want less of... parents don't have more kids because they are too expensive to have many of them in advanced economies.
If you have to live in an urban area with no room for large families in order to have gainful employment, and it takes both parents with two incomes to provide a socially beneficial and comfortable level of income, and on top of that you incintivize divorce for mothers and penalize fathers, then there will be fewer large families. This is not exactly rocket science.
Also, because I'm a moron and forgot obvious reason #1: stop killing infants in the womb for convenience. Estimates I have heard are that over 30% of my age cohort was likely aborted before birth.
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:04 pm to WinnPtiger
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are you referring to visa programs specifically meant to help rebuild the infrastructure of the countries involved in the second war? I think you’re crossing veins between practical worker importation and wholesale immigration reform
Those two things are directly linked though. After consistent decreases in the TFR beginning in the 60s, those worker programs became de facto immigration programs. For example, in Germany, you are now seeing Turkish Germans who are in their fourth generation. Governments are generally more responsive to declines in TFRs than they are other measures. Within 8 years of the peak of American TFR (as in a consistent decline) you had a wholesale reform of immigration in the US in 1965. That's incredibly quick in terms of government bureaucracy.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:08 pm to SWCBonfire
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Tax and constrain what you want less of... parents don't have more kids because they are too expensive to have many of them in advanced economies.
But you first saw declines in TFR in the Communist Bloc. The first nation to ban abortion strictly for the purposes of raising TFR was Romania in 1966. Ireland didn't drop below replacement until the 1990s.
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If you have to live in an urban area with no room for large families in order to have gainful employment, and it takes both parents with two incomes to provide a socially beneficial and comfortable level of income, and on top of that you incintivize divorce for mothers and penalize fathers, then there will be fewer large families. This is not exactly rocket science.
Well some of what you are talking about is infrastructure-level things that you could have in better-designed cities. But given the precipitous declines in TFR everywhere, there has to be something else at play. In other words, something is at play in a wide variety of cultures and political economies which only share a vague definition of development between them.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Those two things are directly linked though
perhaps, but there’s a leap in logic you have to take. and any objection to it is automatically deemed Hitler adjacent.
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After consistent decreases in the TFR beginning in the 60s, those worker programs became de facto immigration programs.
which again, no polling data has shown a plurality of people in any Western nation broadly support. the exact opposite is true. a supermajority of citizens support less than the status quo, all the way to an outright abolishment of current immigration law
but we were never asked
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:11 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Who cares?!? Let's drink and fight!!!
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