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Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:07 pm to Grizzley
I've seen this special. Done by an Australian detective that specializes in cold case files using only the forensic evidence available.
Kinda hard to refute his findings. He never said that Oswald didnt fire on and strike Kennedy. Just showed evidence as to why the death blow came from the secret service vehicle directly behind the prez and why he theorized it was accidental.
Only explanation that explains all the strange actions at the hospital which smelled of a Secret Service cover up.
They werent covering up the Oswald angle, just trying to cover their accidental involvement in killing JFK.
Kinda hard to refute his findings. He never said that Oswald didnt fire on and strike Kennedy. Just showed evidence as to why the death blow came from the secret service vehicle directly behind the prez and why he theorized it was accidental.
Only explanation that explains all the strange actions at the hospital which smelled of a Secret Service cover up.
They werent covering up the Oswald angle, just trying to cover their accidental involvement in killing JFK.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:08 pm to Kafka
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
In over 50 years, not a single credible witness has come forward lending credence to a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. Not one. In the same time, many top secret government operations have all been revealed.
The entire David Ferrie myth has been debunked. All of his movements after the assassination have been chronicled with supporting evidence. Read Professor McAdams's piece on the matter. Here, I'll make it easy for you:
LINK
In over 50 years, not a single credible witness has come forward lending credence to a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. Not one. In the same time, many top secret government operations have all been revealed.
The entire David Ferrie myth has been debunked. All of his movements after the assassination have been chronicled with supporting evidence. Read Professor McAdams's piece on the matter. Here, I'll make it easy for you:
LINK
Posted on 10/14/14 at 11:10 pm to AUTimbo
Right, guess I should have made it clear that they're not disputing Oswald's involvement...just the order of the shots, how many Oswald actually fired, and where the death blow came from
Posted on 10/15/14 at 12:19 am to dpd901
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Oswald did it alone. Deal with it. Move on.
Wow. frick physics.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 1:27 am to LSUsmartass
Oswald alone, watch the best thing that has been done on this
LINK
LINK
Posted on 10/15/14 at 1:42 am to LSUsmartass
I don't really have a dog in this fight, I just wanted to comment on a 6mm entrance wound vs a 6.5 caracano rifle
What the heck was the secret service agent shooting to leave that kind of exit wound and a 6mm entrance wound. I mean seriously that is nearly the size of a .22
Yet that damage was high power rifle damage, certainly not .22 revolver (the agent would have had a revolver.) if it was a 6mm wound and a 6.5 caracano couldn't have done it then it would have had to be like a 5.56 (.223) round do it (wasnt yet invented) or something similar
What the heck was the secret service agent shooting to leave that kind of exit wound and a 6mm entrance wound. I mean seriously that is nearly the size of a .22
Yet that damage was high power rifle damage, certainly not .22 revolver (the agent would have had a revolver.) if it was a 6mm wound and a 6.5 caracano couldn't have done it then it would have had to be like a 5.56 (.223) round do it (wasnt yet invented) or something similar
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 2:08 am to KBeezy
He was carrying an AR15, and was sitting directly in the path of the investigation's calculated trajectory.
Well, he wasn't carrying it the entire time, he picked it up after the first shot and according to sworn testimony from the head agent the rifle stayed loaded with one in the chamber
Well, he wasn't carrying it the entire time, he picked it up after the first shot and according to sworn testimony from the head agent the rifle stayed loaded with one in the chamber
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:46 am to dpd901
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Find one conclusive piece of evidence linking an adult/post Soviet Union Oswald and David Ferrie. I'll wait for this...
Wow, talk about moving the goal posts!
First it's "Oswald and Ferrie didn't know each other at all." Then when a picture comes out that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they had to know each other it becomes "show me conclusively when they double dated and watched football games together."
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 6:48 am
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:53 am to Cooter Davenport
I was in Civil Air Patrol when I was a kid. I honestly don't remember the name of a single person I was in it with. If a member of my group killed a public figure, would it mean I was in a conspiracy with them?
If you read the link I posted, you'd see that the only guy who linked Ferrie and Oswald was a pathological liar with a history of mental illness. Even Garrison admitted as much about him. Pretty flimsy evidence.
If you read the link I posted, you'd see that the only guy who linked Ferrie and Oswald was a pathological liar with a history of mental illness. Even Garrison admitted as much about him. Pretty flimsy evidence.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:56 am to Wtodd
Right?
I mean, personally, I think Oswald was the lone shooter, but as to why and who else was involved... how is a 9th grade dropout from the south with a single mother and a learning disability who joined the Marines at a young age and who has no record of language school training able to show up in the USSR speaking and reading passable Russian, formally attempt to renounce his citizenship, tell the US embassy he was giving radar info related to the U2 to Russia, meet a Russian girl who reports that his Russian was fluent, get married, work in a factory for a couple of years, and then, not only be allowed back into the US with his wife without being arrested for desertion and treason, but also have the State Department PAY his way home? The dude was connected to the intelligence apparatus in some fashion.
I mean, personally, I think Oswald was the lone shooter, but as to why and who else was involved... how is a 9th grade dropout from the south with a single mother and a learning disability who joined the Marines at a young age and who has no record of language school training able to show up in the USSR speaking and reading passable Russian, formally attempt to renounce his citizenship, tell the US embassy he was giving radar info related to the U2 to Russia, meet a Russian girl who reports that his Russian was fluent, get married, work in a factory for a couple of years, and then, not only be allowed back into the US with his wife without being arrested for desertion and treason, but also have the State Department PAY his way home? The dude was connected to the intelligence apparatus in some fashion.
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:05 am to dpd901
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I was in Civil Air Patrol when I was a kid. I honestly don't remember the name of a single person I was in it with. If a member of my group killed a public figure, would it mean I was in a conspiracy with them?
First of all, I wouldn't describe him as a kid in that picture, more like a teenager.
Secondly, how long were you in it and how active? Either you weren't very active, in which case your whole anecdote is bogus, or you have a terrible memory. I was in Boy Scouts as a kid and teen and I remember lots of other guys names, faces, habits, etc.
David Ferrie was a child predator who used the CAP as a grooming ground for pederastic conquests. He would have gone out of his way to meet Oswald. Poor, with a single mom - that would have seemed ripe for Ferrie to exploit.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:14 am to Cooter Davenport
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The dude was connected to the intelligence apparatus in some fashion.
Well, I will say this much, only a group like the CIA would be crazy enough to involve a misfit/lunatic like Oswald in the greatest murder of all time.
Sorry, but the most credible evidence, including the meticulous 2003 ABC investigation cited by other posters, proves the murderer fired the killing shots form the sixth floor window of the depository building--and that Oswald was the murderer.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:41 am to CSATiger
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Oswald alone, watch the best thing that has been done on this
LINK
That is by far the best, and most convincing, documentary/special on the JFK assassination. I don't see how any of their findings can be disputed.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:51 am to Cooter Davenport
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David Ferrie was a child predator who used the CAP as a grooming ground for pederastic conquests. He would have gone out of his way to meet Oswald. Poor, with a single mom - that would have seemed ripe for Ferrie to exploit.
Again, that's purely speculative. There is zero evidence supporting that claim. If you want to link a pedo with a delusional sociopath and say the government and/or the mob used them as the instruments to pull off a massive conspiracy to assassinate a president, then you have to provide concrete evidence to back that up. That evidence has failed to materialize in over 50 years despite multiple government investigations and multiple independent investigations, including some hell bent on proving conspiracy.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:02 am to TigerPanzer
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Sorry, but the most credible evidence, including the meticulous 2003 ABC investigation cited by other posters, proves the murderer fired the killing shots form the sixth floor window of the depository building--and that Oswald was the murderer.
I don't know why you are saying "sorry" and then following with a statement I agree with. Oswald WAS the lone shooter. I have been to the museum. It was an easy shot.
However, I notice that no one has a credible, common sense explanation for how a poor 9th grade dropout with a learning disability is able to 1) learn Russian while an enlisted 17 year old Marine living in a barracks, 2) defect to the USSR at the height of the Cold War *while still enlisted*, announce he's betraying military secrets, then 3) be brought back to this country by the State Department a few years later, all expenses paid, with his Russian wife, and 4) not face charges for desertion or treason.
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 8:05 am
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:23 am to Cooter Davenport
This link answers all your questions about Oswald. Scroll down to the "was Oswald a spy" section
Edit for broken link
LINK
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 8:25 am
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