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While you watching college kids, NATO Sec Gen said Ukraine will join soon

Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:29 pm
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:29 pm
NATO.int

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Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is on an “irreversible path” to NATO, support will continue

The Secretary General praised President Zelenskyy’s leadership and the bravery of the Ukrainian forces and people, but acknowledged that “leadership and bravery alone cannot repel the Russian forces; you also need arms and ammunition.” He recognised that serious delays in support have translated to serious consequences on the battlefield. "Ukraine has been outgunned for months... fewer Russian missiles and drones have been shot down, and Russia has been able to push forward on the front line," said Mr Stoltenberg. "But it is not too late for Ukraine to prevail. More support is on the way."

Defence ministers heard President Zelenskyy’s clear appeal at a meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Council a few days ago, “and they agreed to step up our support,” said Mr Stoltenberg. He welcomed the major new package from the United States, providing over 60 billion dollars’ worth of aid, as well as new commitments by the UK, Germany, and the Netherlands, adding: “I expect further announcements soon.”


Absolute insanity, iodine futures stacked.
Posted by Trevaylin
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:34 pm to
Stoltenberg, Stoltennberg, 1825 Tulane.


Nato is so yesterday
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:40 pm to
Pretty normal, expected response. Ukraine sat where it did in world politics because it gave up its nukes under the promise that Russia wouldn't attack. When Putin did decided Russia was going to break that agreement, it took away any incentive for Ukraine to continue to exist as an independent actor.

Russia's eyes got too big for their own stomach and fricked up.

It really won't change much, as Russia is a limited, regional power that lacks the resources to act as the major player they once were.

Anyone that knows anything about international relations, Realism, ect, knows that Russia isn't going to suicide-vest itself in a temper tantrum and start WW3. The people that believe this are just falling victim to Russia's large-scale campaign to spread disinformation via the internet.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:44 pm to
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Anyone that knows anything about international relations, Realism, ect, knows that Russia isn't going to suicide-vest itself in a temper tantrum and start WW3. The people that believe this are just falling victim to Russia's large-scale campaign to spread disinformation via the internet.


Ummm, no because if Ukraine as things are right now joins NATO, that means that we declare war on Russia. It’s World War III and everyone agrees it is except for you lunatic LARPers.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 5:49 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:49 pm to
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Anyone that knows anything about international relations, Realism, ect, knows that Russia isn't going to suicide-vest itself in a temper tantrum and start WW3.


Who said anything about Russia starting WWIII?
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:50 pm to
If they were okay with having a global pandemic to oust Trump it makes sense they would provoke WWIII to cancel our election this November.
Posted by Tandemjay
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:50 pm to
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It really won't change much, as Russia is a limited, regional power that lacks the resources to act as the major player they once were.


The US started the Russian invasion in 2014, stopped peace talks two years ago. As far power status, the 5,000 nukes Russia has is the only thing stopping US warmongers.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:51 pm to
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Who said anything about Russia starting WWIII?


If Ukraine joins NATO and things stand as they currently do in Ukraine, then we by default declare war on Russia. It’s not an IF, it just fricking happens. We are now having boots on the ground in Ukraine.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:52 pm to
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It really won't change much, as Russia is a limited, regional power that lacks the resources to act as the major player they once were.

Anyone that knows anything about international relations, Realism, ect, knows that Russia isn't going to suicide-vest itself in a temper tantrum and start WW3. The people that believe this are just falling victim to Russia's large-scale campaign to spread disinformation via the internet.


The risk isn't so much Russia as a Russo / China alliance.

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On March 7, 2024, Member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee and Foreign Minister Wang Yi talked about China-Russia relations when he met the press during the NPC and CPPCC sessions.

Wang Yi said that under the strategic guidance of President Xi Jinping and President Vladimir Putin, the China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination for the new era has been moving forward on a high level. Political mutual trust is deepening. Cooperation remains mutually beneficial and complementary to each other. The two peoples are enthusiastic about mutual exchanges. Last year, bilateral trade reached a record US$240 billion, hitting the target of US$200 billion ahead of schedule. Russian natural gas is fueling numerous Chinese households, and Chinese-made automobiles are running on Russian roads. All this shows the strong resilience and broad prospects of China-Russia mutually beneficial cooperation.

Wang Yi said that maintaining and growing the China-Russia relationship is a strategic choice by the two sides based on the fundamental interests of the two peoples. It is also what we must do to keep pace with the trend of the world. As key major countries of the world and permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, China and Russia have forged a new paradigm of major-country relations that differs entirely from the obsolete Cold War approach. On the basis of non-alliance, non-confrontation and not targeting any third party, China and Russia strive for lasting good-neighborliness and friendship and seek to deepen their comprehensive strategic coordination. In today’s world, hegemonism finds no support, and division leads nowhere. Major countries should not seek confrontation, and the Cold War should not be allowed to come back. The China-Russia relationship moves ahead along the trend of the times toward multipolarity and greater democracy in international relations, and is thus very important for maintaining global strategic stability, enabling positive interactions among major countries, and promoting cooperation among emerging major countries.

Wang Yi said that this year marks the 75th anniversary of China-Russia diplomatic relations. The two sides will also jointly launch the China-Russia Years of Culture. The relationship faces new opportunities. China is ready to work with Russia to foster new driving forces for cooperation and steadily enhance the foundation of friendship between the two peoples. With Russia chairing the BRICS mechanism this year and China taking over the chairship of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in the second half of the year, the two sides will strengthen international and multilateral coordination, practice true multilateralism, uphold the U.N.-centered international system, and safeguard regional and global security and stability.


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This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 5:55 pm
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:52 pm to
NATO allies allow this then they better enact laws to have those new Muslims placed on the front lines with Russia
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:52 pm to
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If they were okay with having a global pandemic to oust Trump it makes sense they would provoke WWIII to cancel our election this November.


Yeah, but I think only the most delusional of Democrats will think that Biden should lead us in WWIII. I think most people would agree that even hate Trump that it’s preferable to have a dumber Winston Churchill as our leader over a senile dullard and a cackling hyena “Slay Queen” Karen as our Presidents.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 5:53 pm
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:55 pm to
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Yeah, but I think only the most delusional of Democrats will think that Biden should lead us in WWIII. I think most people would agree that even hate Trump that it’s preferable to have a dumber Winston Churchill as our leader over a senile dullard and a cackling hyena “Slay Queen” Karen as our Presidents.


We don't really know everything that's been going on in Ukraine. If those calling the shots are willing to risk starting WWIII over fricking Ukraine, there must be a lot more there than we realize.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:56 pm to
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Yeah, but I think only the most delusional of Democrats will think that Biden should lead us in WWIII. I think most people would agree that even hate Trump that it’s preferable to have a dumber Winston Churchill as our leader over a senile dullard and a cackling hyena “Slay Queen” Karen as our Presidents.


BTW, I don't know if you saw this, but Trump actually leads Gavin Newsome and Michelle Obama by wider margins than he leads Biden by.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:58 pm to
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Anyone that knows anything about international relations, Realism, ect, knows that Russia isn't going to suicide-vest itself in a temper tantrum and start WW3

Sounds good, but I just listened to a podcast about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The encouraging part of that (and what we’ve seen in Ukraine) is that, for all their crap weapons and bellicosity, people are way too generous in their estimation of Russian military and political smarts.

The discouraging part is that they are not at all hesitant to rely on a strategy of stacking bodies to compensate for the above.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:59 pm to
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BTW, I don't know if you saw this, but Trump actually leads Gavin Newsome and Michelle Obama by wider margins than he leads Biden by.


Gavin I can definitely believe, and while I might be apprehensive on Michelle’s numbers, the fact of the matter is Michelle has never gone against an opponent. All she’s done is cheer on her husband and no one attacks her since it’s seen as classless to go after someone’s wife.

Well when the gloves are off, I don’t see her really standing up to scrutiny and acting completely Woke wouldn’t work. I don’t think she the talented speaker that her husband is, so I don’t think she could beat Trump. I do think she’s the Democrats best bet, but she’s completely untested.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:00 pm to
I want to be in Vault 33.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:23 pm to
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no because if Ukraine as things are right now joins NATO


Which isn't what is happening. Ukraine isn't joining NATO while this war is going on, but they have clearly been forced to our side and will inevitably join when all this is over.

No one is saying that Ukraine is joining NATO right now, it's dumb for you to even think that's a thing being discussed.

Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:25 pm to
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The risk isn't so much Russia as a Russo / China alliance.



Maybe, but that would be a fragile alliance and China has some serious questions long-term.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108913 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:25 pm to
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Which isn't what is happening. Ukraine isn't joining NATO while this war is going on, but they have clearly been forced to our side and will inevitably join when all this is over.

No one is saying that Ukraine is joining NATO right now, it's dumb for you to even think that's a thing being discussed.



Blinken fricking said it and even Ben Shapiro said that’s World War III and denounced it.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3934 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:29 pm to
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The discouraging part is that they are not at all hesitant to rely on a strategy of stacking bodies to compensate for the above


It's possible, that is their M.O. It didn't end well though in Afghanistan for the same reason they are unlikely to follow that path in Ukraine. This isn't a fight to death for Russia and such an option would decimate their already small economy.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 6:30 pm
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