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College Head coaches are leaving for the NFL as assistant coaches.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:17 am
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:17 am
This all has to do with NIL. Some of these guys like NS had a problem with the way there is no national rules governing NIL. I think over time you will see more of this unless they can put a handle on the portal and NIL and run it like the NFL FA. It is being rumored that NIL was one of the major reasons for NS retiring.
There was a great interview with the former DC at Bama who just retired. He said they would go to a HS kids house and the family would be honest by saying this is the kind of NIL money they would need to come to Bama. Per Steele the college coaches were not able to discuss NIL with a HS kid as it was a violation being seen as an inducement to come to a school. So obviously others had already talked to these HS kids during the crooting process. I think once they sign with a school then the collective was able to get involved.
There was a great interview with the former DC at Bama who just retired. He said they would go to a HS kids house and the family would be honest by saying this is the kind of NIL money they would need to come to Bama. Per Steele the college coaches were not able to discuss NIL with a HS kid as it was a violation being seen as an inducement to come to a school. So obviously others had already talked to these HS kids during the crooting process. I think once they sign with a school then the collective was able to get involved.
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:20 am to mrbroker
Unproven and undeveloped athletes demanding millions... its all bad news
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:28 am to mrbroker
shite, I would. College coaching is year round now. At least the NFL coaches get an offseason.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:38 am to mrbroker
Because college football is screwed. You arent turning it back.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 7:52 am to mrbroker
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Some of these guys like NS had a problem with the way there is no national rules governing NIL.
Boohoo for him. So once he didn't have every advantage and the ability to skirt every rule, it was just too much?
Saban is partly to blame for this mess because the system he built in Tuscaloosa was basically pay for play before this mess started. They simply did it in creative ways and the SEC and NCAA turned a blind eye.
Now, he had to actually work even more because all his cheating/skirting the rules before was open to everyone and he could no longer dominate.
That is why people that laud him as the greatest ever ignore that he was basically the new era version of Bear Bryant. They simply stockpiled the top players not to make them a great team but keep their opponents from getting talent. That's not great coaching and why Saban was mediocre in the NFL. He didn't have the massive talent advantage and coaching was actually important.
That isn't to say that Saban wasn't a godo X's and O's coach. He's a great one, but not as great as some like to make him out to be.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 8:13 am to Geauxgurt
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That's not great coaching and why Saban was mediocre in the NFL.
Not even close to the reason Saban failed in the NFL. Coaches like Saban like total control over their players. That authoritarian approach works with high school and college kids because if they don't fall in line they don't play. If they quit, no problem you have 5 more guys that are just as good if not better.
In the NFL you can't do that. For one, you're dealing with grown arse millionaires that aren't looking for opportunities to play. The bulk of the roster has more leverage than coaches. The only ones responding to that type of leadership are the fringe guys struggling to make the roster. Two, you're a college coach transitioning to the pros...there's a level of "prove it" from the veteran players as well. You don't get respect until you earn it. Belichick didn't get to be a total dick until he won a few Super Bowls. Saban couldn't adapt, so he left for Alabama.
Him retiring could be a combination of things(old age, nothing left, etc.), but he's probably facing a similar dilemma with control. Today's players are not only making money legally, but they can also leave at a drop of a hat without penalty. At least in the NFL there is some sort of leash preventing that, but college has turned into a free for all.
There needs to be a cap on NIL, plus the transfer rules need to go back to what they were with the mandatory 1 year penalty for transferring. Otherwise the best FBS college coaches will continue leaving.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 8:14 am
Posted on 2/2/24 at 8:33 am to mrbroker
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Per Steele the college coaches were not able to discuss NIL with a HS kid as it was a violation being seen as an inducement to come to a school.
Yeah, im sure Alabama coaches never partake in these conversations
Posted on 2/2/24 at 8:55 am to josh336
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Yeah, im sure Alabama coaches never partake in these conversations
They absolutely didn’t and will never do so. At Alabama, they sell the program and academics. There is no discussion of bribery to win a recruiting battle. Ever.
I’m told Saban had grown saddened by what it’s all turned in to and felt if he couldn’t win honestly then he wanted no part of it.
Really quite sad. He was always about integrity and honesty on the recruiting trail.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:09 am to iBack8569
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There needs to be a cap on NIL
Illegal, unless somehow a cap is collectively bargained....which creates a whole other mess of problems.
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plus the transfer rules need to go back to what they were with the mandatory 1 year penalty for transferring.
I don't disagree. But like EVERYTHING that happened during the great overreaction of 2020, the tube is out of the toothpaste on that and it isn't going back in. Even the effort to limit transfers to just one "free" transfer has failed as the courts (temporarily) struck down the validity of that rule.
More and more good coaches are going to leave college if they have the opportunity. The lifestyle in the NFL is much better. The job security (or lack thereof) in the NFL and major college football is about the same now. But at least in the NFL coaches get a pretty lengthy, and well defined, offseason. As a college coach you are CONSTANTLY recruiting HS players as well has now having to constantly recruit your own roster. A roster full of (mostly) immature 18-22 year olds who are being "advised" by shady "middle-men" and greedy, unintelligent, hanger-on family members to constantly leverage their HC for more and more money. Money that the HC essentially has to fundraise from wealthy supporters who, come with their own set of problems.
If you are a guy like Saban who has accomplished everything and has all of the money he will ever need, the headache just isn't worth it. Same for any HC who is successful. At some point you say to yourself "frick it. I just want to coach football. If I'm going have to deal with the 'business of football" I may as well do it in the NFL where at least there is a pretty firm structure. And where once the season is over I can spend 3, 4, 5 months away from the grind, enjoying my life"
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/2/24 at 10:09 am to El Segundo Guy
We in the real world work ‘year round’. For a hella lot less $$$$. Not concerned about a coach having to do the same
Posted on 2/4/24 at 9:29 am to mrbroker
Josh Pate hinted at a lot of this coming. College coaches are sick and tired of money being the only reason kids are going to certain schools. There's no more selling the kid on why a specific school would be the best fit and where they could get playing time at. It's about kids demanding tons of money because one school offered them that much. Truly sickening and the passion from college football players has gone down. I will always watch it, but it's frustrating to see college football falling apart
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/4/24 at 10:00 am to mrbroker
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He said they would go to a HS kids house and the family would be honest by saying this is the kind of NIL money they would need to come to Bama. Per Steele the college coaches were not able to discuss NIL with a HS kid as it was a violation being seen as an inducement to come to a school
You got to see the special man.
Let em have it.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 10:23 am to patnuh
in AU they refer it as the Bag Man.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:53 am to mrbroker
Posted on 2/4/24 at 2:13 pm to Alt26
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The lifestyle in the NFL is much better. The job security (or lack thereof) in the NFL and major college football is about the same
I would argue that NFL coaching has much greater job security. When you fail at a major program in CFB you find yourself at Directional Tech University for minimal $.
In the NFL you bounce around.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 5:38 pm to HoustonTigerNKaty
This is definitely a real thing. NFL front offices were hearing from college coaches, and elite ones at that, leading up to the NFL's Black Monday. Some are ready to get the hell out.
Ryan Day is one, btw.
Ryan Day is one, btw.
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:53 pm to Wichita Co Tiger
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They absolutely didn’t and will never do so. At Alabama, they sell the program and academics. There is no discussion of bribery to win a recruiting battle. Ever. I’m told Saban had grown saddened by what it’s all turned in to and felt if he couldn’t win honestly then he wanted no part of it. Really quite sad. He was always about integrity and honesty on the recruiting trail.
we really need a sarcasm font on here
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:42 pm to mrbroker
he’s also 22-26.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:55 am to mrbroker
quote:What if I told you there were rules in place but everyone lost their shite about them and the government got involved to remove them?
there is no national rules governing NIL.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:58 am to MOT
Hard fast rules that everyone adheres to or BS rules that people laugh at? Then why did the Bama folks go to DC to lobby for strong national guidelines and met with Tubberville.
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