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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If so, it was a terribly dumb strategy.
The Biden administration has been on the wrong side of this thing from the get go. Kyiv was asking for multiple western weapons prior to the invasion but all they got were stingers and Javelins. Biden was trying to get Zelensky to flee when he and Ukraine wanted to fight. The delay in missile systems, tanks, fighters etc are all examples of piss poor decisions by the Biden administration.
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:24 pm to VolSquatch
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Maybe. To me it feels more like because we have such a sophisticated military that other countries think we also have good military minds.... which IMO isn't necessarily a given. And even if they are highly competent militarily, the US hasn't fought a conflict like this one since Korea or WW2, and the technology is totally different now. We just don't have current battlefield experience doing the type of fighting that is going on.
We have such a sophisticated military that we overestimate the sophistication of our opponents. Ironically, the same flaw that allowed us to win our Independence from Britain's superior military at the time.
But the collective "First World" thought this kind of confrontation was history... and it would not be happening now if Putin was not a dictator with no checks on his power... who else in Russian society would this war benefit more than hurt?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:25 pm to WeeWee
Now for real news:
ukraine just fired the general in charge of Kharkiv
1000s of civilians have been evacuated
Russia has taken nine villages in the surrounding area
Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
ukraine is losing territory with more quickness every day now. They just dont have the people, munitions, or the will to fight. And 37 billion (yes the rest went to other "programs") is not going to change their life.
Time to stop this waste of lives on both sides. Sit down at the table and give Russia what they have, or risk losing the entire country, which looks quite plausible at this point.
ukraine just fired the general in charge of Kharkiv
1000s of civilians have been evacuated
Russia has taken nine villages in the surrounding area
Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
ukraine is losing territory with more quickness every day now. They just dont have the people, munitions, or the will to fight. And 37 billion (yes the rest went to other "programs") is not going to change their life.
Time to stop this waste of lives on both sides. Sit down at the table and give Russia what they have, or risk losing the entire country, which looks quite plausible at this point.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:30 pm to WeeWee
quote:I'm certainly not going to defend Dugout Jake, but is there a source for this?
Jake Sullivan told Poland and Romania that they can’t use Patriot missiles to intercept Russian missiles that enter Polish or Romanian airspace.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:39 pm to trinidadtiger
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Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
noted on the calendar
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:52 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:This may yet happen and the timing could be significant for Biden's campaign. In spite of the delays from the US and the fact that the planes would be coming from other countries, Biden would still take credit.
If Ukraine were already flying F-16s, it would help.
Like it or not, Biden can use US support for this war as a very strong campaign advantage and Trump cannot. The White House would also present their 'control' over a potentially disasterous Europen-wide war as the mature alternative to their opponent. If the White House can gain some control over Netanyahu, Biden will look very strong on foreign policy. Trump has a lot of work to do to negate this.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:09 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Jake Sullivan told Poland and Romania that they can’t use Patriot missiles to intercept Russian missiles that enter Polish or Romanian airspace.
I have no love (or even respect) for the Biden regime, but this smells like bullshite to me. The dolts in Washington are stupid, but surely they’re not stupid enough to tell NATO allies something this stupid.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:13 pm to trinidadtiger
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Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
Like SirWinston's hero, I'm afraid that worms have eaten your brain.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
I’ve been seeing multiple report of “tactically significant” Russian gains in their offensive around the Kharkiv area. But to predict the city to fall in the next 48 hours is at best premature.
ETA: if something like this were to happen, then the Ukrainian front is in worse shape than even I have thought. It would take a significant collapse of the Ukrainian front for the city to fall that quickly. And while I know they’re hard pressed, I don’t thing matters have deteriorated to that point yet.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:20 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’ve been seeing multiple report of “tactically significant” Russian gains in their offensive around the Kharkiv area. But to predict the city to fall in the next 48 hours is at best premature.
That would require encirclement and Russia doesn't have enough bodies to do that
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:21 pm to trinidadtiger
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Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
Surely you're talking about Vovchans'k and not Kharkiv?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:24 pm to CitizenK
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That would require encirclement and Russia doesn't have enough bodies to do that
That’s pretty much what I was thinking. I’ve seen some maps of the Russian gains and none appear close to achieving a “cauldron” battle.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:24 pm to ColtRange
Wikipedia lists the population of Vovchansk at 17,459. It's not a city.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:49 pm to trinidadtiger
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Kharkiv
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Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:15 pm to ColtRange
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Surely you're talking about Vovchans'k
Yes, but I dont think its even 48 hours, sounds like the Russians are already taking runs at the city.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:27 pm to trinidadtiger
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Id expect the city to fall in the next 48 hours
Kharkiv?
Ban bet?
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:37 pm to trinidadtiger
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Time to stop this waste of lives on both sides. Sit down at the table and give Russia what they have, or risk losing the entire country, which looks quite plausible at this point.
Russia wants the entire country and their demands are just that...
"Waste of lives"
Now, what could possibly make Ukrainians believe that Russia would not be good for them as far as the value of their lives? I mean, could there be any events recently or in the past that would make them think Russians don't respect their lives?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Wikipedia lists the population of Vovchansk at 17,459. It's not a city.
Ok, wikipedia also says it's a city.
"Vovchansk is a city in Chuhuiv Raion, Kharkiv Oblast, Ukraine. Population: 17,459."
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:40 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Biden can also point to his son being on the Burisma board and getting paid 80 grand a month. Biden's reputation for Ukraine is way lower than whale poop
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:43 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Like it or not, Biden can use US support for this war as a very strong campaign advantage and Trump cannot. The White House would also present their 'control' over a potentially disasterous Europen-wide war as the mature alternative to their opponent. If the White House can gain some control over Netanyahu, Biden will look very strong on foreign policy. Trump has a lot of work to do to negate this.
Wow, the delusion and lack of self-awareness here.
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