re: Liverpool FC 22/23 Season Long Thread - Farewell Bobby Edition

I guess better than nothing but yikes

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There’s a Juve site claiming we’re offering Tsimikas on loan…which would be incredibly stupid

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Absolutely no chance this happens. That is the silliest rumor I've heard yet in this window.

Need Darwin to play and start changing the attack up

I'm not the biggest Henderson fan, but I think he's generally gotten much more hate than he's deserved.

Historically, he's lead well, communicated well (which is very important in the game and how we play), covered well for our outside backs, decent enough in possession, tries a lot more forward balls than anyone gives him credit for, etc.

That being said, he's started off this season rough. I think he's lost a step and the deficiencies in his game are starting to become liabilities he can't make up for.

The biggest issue though, for me, is that the midfield had no balance. When its him and Milner and Elliot, etc. there was no creativity. Milner and Hendo together without a FAb or Thiago is an absolute nightmare.

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I think we’re going to look like a much better side with Jordan Henderson on the bench. The guy is washed if we’re being honest. He was always better than rival fans gave him credit for, but he was never really good. He gave his all to liverpool, but he’s not good enough anymore

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I agree, but not for the same reasoning. He's been terrible so far this season and is getting old, so I'm happy to see him on the bench for awhile. But he has been one of the most crucial cogs in this midfield the past few years.

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Pass it backwards. Pass it sideways. Late to a challenge. Scream. Kick one to nobody at the back post when you find the ball at your feet 25 yards out.

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Literally this is his job (not the late challenge part). When we have possession, which is most of the time, this team attacks as a 2-3-5 relying on fullbacks for width to either cross or turn the opposing CB at the end-line. The wide midfielders, including Henderson, cover for our fullbacks as they push up the field. Consequently, Henderson has mainly been a defensive player who's job is to cover the flanks and recycle possession wide to start our attacks down the wing. This is why you either see sideways passes, backwards passes to the CB to change the point of attack, or a quick ball to the back post aimed at either the winger or the fullback.

It's not pretty, but its a job.

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Something looks off because our midfield is shambles.

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It does. We clearly have no clue how to operate in this new shape with Mo and Diaz extremely wide, and no reliance on the fullbacks to create. Frankly, I'm still trying to figure out what Klopp is even trying to do with this shape, but its an unmitigated disaster.

I would give them the 3 points every year, just to avoid injuries and to not have to watch Gordon roll around on the ground for 60 minutes.

We just haven't figured out an identity at all, but it also seems like we just aren't great. Almost everyone looks a step slow - particularly Fab, but also VVD, Gomez, and Robertson.

No Hendo in midfield didn't fix a thing.

We had our chances (and so did Everton), but Darwin was just an inch too short, and we weren't clinical enough.

Also, had always routed for him, but @#$#@ Coady for his celebration on that offside goal. Former red should never act that way.

So is this all on Klopp?