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Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:31 pm to
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:31 pm to
Also, nothing to do on UVXY or VXX etc at the moment. We will have to be patient
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 11/15/23 at 3:40 pm to
S/O BourbonDad on the 1/24 TGT 120 and 130 calls.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 3:41 pm
Posted by BourbonDad
Somewhere on the vol surface
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Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:44 pm to
I’m glad somebody banked lol, hope you took PYPL too
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
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Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:51 pm to
Did not see PYPL post, ugh. Keep em coming though please and thank you.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

Also, nothing to do on UVXY or VXX etc at the moment. We will have to be patient.


VIX is back in the 13.50s now. So not much premium to be had? What VIX range is a trigger for you?

I put on some heavy SPX trades that expired Wednesday and yesterday, but I mainly looked forward to dumping the rest of the TSLA that I’ve been holding for a few weeks. As long as it stays above the 232.50 covered call strikes, that will be the last of it. Made some nice $ on it in the end, but that was a wild ride!
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 8:11 pm to
Well, there is some premium to be had, though not great, but you don't really want to short one of the long volatility derivatives with VIX this low. If the VIX were to go from 13 to 18 in a short timespan for example, your short call options would get obliterated in UVXY. The higher VIX is when you put on a UVXY short call trade, the better, because it gets harder and harder for volatility to accelerate as you approach a higher and higher level. That's why you hear terms like "heavy" to describe VIX when it's in the 30s. At the end of the day, VIX is just measuring IV of SPX options. So when those swell up too much, the balloon eventually leaks out air.

One trade I do put on every 60 days continuously though is short the 40/20 delta SVXY put spread. This is a longer term short volatility trade. You can backtest this in Tasty Trade or CML and you will find it averages a 9% return per trade over the last 5 years. Pretty darn good for a 2 month trade you can put on in perpetuity. It also has an 81% win rate.
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 8:15 pm
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 7:01 pm to
Any brave souls playing NVDA options going into their AH 11/21 earnings call?

IV is currently at 50.28% and IV Percentile is 41%. Expected move of +/-38.10 for the 11/24 expiration. Closed up 2.25% ($11.11) today at 504.09, and up another $1 and change in AH trading.

I’m considering a jade lizard at 5-6 delta on the short put side. Lowest wing spread on the SCV is $10 at 5-6 delta. Have to get a tad over 12 delta to get a $5 wing spread (for roughly the same credit as the $10 spread)… so that seems the more logical risk/reward play. We’ll see how the terrain looks tomorrow.

How about you fellows?
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 7:22 pm to
I could see a naked call or a naked call spread. At this level of froth I couldn't sell a put.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:31 pm to
Don’t think I could bring myself to sell a naked call on NVDA. That could turn into a nasty situation on a big beat. Remembering the short strangle I had on TSLA a few months back, and the trapeze moves I had to perform to manage that when the stock shot through my call strikes, has left a bad taste in my mouth with these volatile tech stocks when using undefined risk.

But I’m also not recommending a jade lizard, or any particular strategy with NVDA. Could provide more excitement than a trader expects.
Posted by BourbonDad
Somewhere on the vol surface
Member since Sep 2016
193 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:37 pm to
I’m taking put leaps. Supply chain issues will rear its head. The whole OpenAI/Sam Altman thing plus an NVDA miss will bookend the “AI is our savior” narrative. Very coincidental timing if you ask me.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26585 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:42 pm to
Thinking about selling the 555/565 call spread. Looks like it's going for 2.45 ish
Posted by BourbonDad
Somewhere on the vol surface
Member since Sep 2016
193 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:20 am to
If you have the nut to hedge it’s not a bad play to sell calls and delta hedge but with vol so low I have no interest in selling premium. There will be an unpinning of vol at some point and it will be a black swan event that I want no part of.
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:59 pm to
Just bought an ATM $SPY straddle 1/31/24 EXP because.. why not?

If we rip to ATH, or drop and have big Vol expansion, I’m happy.

If we remain where we are by EOY, I’m down $500.
Posted by BourbonDad
Somewhere on the vol surface
Member since Sep 2016
193 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:10 am to
They didn't miss on earnings but doesn't change my opinion that this is the next Enron. Also price action is king and its been nothing but dealers with bid prop algos on to hedge the short calls which unsupringsingly have been destroyed.

Twitter link to an in-depth breakdown of their filings and associated red flags.

LINK

There's more and more sketchy financial engineering taking place each quarter....
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:13 am
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26585 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:10 am to
For earnings plays I sold the DE 360 put and the ADSK 197.5 put. The ADSK looks like it will expire worthless. The 360 may have to be rolled, but it's turning back up now so who knows.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4129 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 11:14 am to
I attempted to ladder into a 1x2 jade lizard on NVDA. But the SCV side didn’t fill (I waited til too late in the session and the line was long). The 435 put side filled for a nice credit. But the SCV would have been nice icing on the cake. That was in my investment account and I was content to take NVDA at 435 in that account. In my trading account, I stuck with my bread & butter (large lots of low delta 0-1DTE SPX synthetic strangles). Very good week. I’ll probably avoid trying to trade the thin, short session tomorrow. Just sit around and try to digest the turkey bird that I’ll scarf down today.

Also, as the VIX actually hit a 12 handle this week, premiums on SPX trades sucketh mightily. I’ll go smaller on SPX short premium trades until IV picks up. So in the mean time, I’m looking at some smallish filler trades on USO (IV at 42.67% and IV percentile at 66%). My jade lizard on SLV has pretty much turned to dust, so time to use that buying power somewhere else, where there’s some decent premium.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
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26585 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 4:12 pm to
There are some solid earnings this week too. Workday, Intuit, Splunk
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4129 posts
Posted on 11/24/23 at 1:52 pm to
Thanks. I’ll pop those onto my watch list and see what’s what. I don’t recall that I’ve ever traded any of them.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4129 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:14 pm to
I went with 12/1 short puts on CRWD and USO. All good so far. WDAY would have also worked out fine with short puts - might have challenged on short calls or a SCV/iron condor though. I just wasn’t as familiar with the name and its tendencies around earnings. Did you get into a strategy on it?

Watching the action this week has been rather blah. VIX still with a 12 handle, so premiums are at minimum wage levels. I’ve done smaller 1DTE SPV and SCV SPX trades this week. All winners so far… just not the money I typically make with these trades. But also, no real stress, what with the market remaining flat. Seems to want to hang onto 4550. We’ll see how long that lasts until it breaks one way or the other.

Good enough post turkey week for you guys so far?
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
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26585 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:44 pm to
I actually held off on all earnings trades. Tried Intuit but didn't get the fill I wanted. Congrats on the CRWD and USO. Selling Call Verticals on USO spikes would probably work honestly. It has a longer term decay factor since it tracks futures.
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