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re: Most Overrated Player In NBA History

Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:05 pm to
Yes I did
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:06 pm to
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2002 Nets v. 2016 Warriors

GO
When you think about it, does Lebron have any titles we should consider?

He's Barkley, basically.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:06 pm to
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The implication being that the East somehow had the second best team in the league, when they did not.

What team from the West had 70+ wins that year to compare to the Warriors?
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:07 pm to
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Who is ahead of him, and how can they possibly be ahead of the dude with 11 titles if titles have to matter at some point?


They do, and as I stated it’s a calculus. Russell’s combo of stats and winning falls only a hair short. LeBron doesn’t win like him, so he’s not Russell. He’s wilt. Is that where you rank Wilt? #6?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:08 pm to
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When you think about it, does Lebron have any titles we should consider?

He's Barkley, basically.

Barkley lost to Jordan with is basically a title in 2023, so Barkley is way ahead of Lebron b/c he's a winner (via losing)
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:08 pm to
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So no, you aren’t producing any serious points here.

Says the guy who won't actually say Kobe is a better basketball player but is arguing Kobe's 5 over Lebron's 4 but Lebron actually should only have 3, but MJ and his 6 is better than Russell and his 11, but at at some point rings have to matter.


Serious points!
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:08 pm to
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What team from the West had 70+ wins that year to compare to the Warriors?


The combined Clippers and Warriors.

The Kings did have 61, though.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:08 pm to
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Yes I did

Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:08 pm to
This is what they do, you try to meet them halfway on their criteria then to discredit you they discredit their own argument. This is what happens when you try to have an honest discussion with ignorant and dishonest people.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:09 pm to
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Russell’s combo of stats and winning

Do you define the "winning" variable in your "calculus" solely as titles*?













*Other than 2020, b/c it hurts your argument
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:09 pm to
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They do, and as I stated it’s a calculus. Russell’s combo of stats and winning falls only a hair short.
So Russell wins 11 but can't be better than MJ because MJ is the better player, but Lebron's 4 but it's only 3 can't be better than Kobe and 5 despite Lebron being clearly the better player any way you measure it.

Serious points!!
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:10 pm to
Explain how the arguments are different. Not by scale, by logic.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:10 pm to
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you try to meet them halfway on their criteria

The problem is you're not using any actual criteria. You're using your feelings to make emotional arguments without factual or logical structure. You get to change your considerations or variables as you see fit due to this irrationality and emotionality.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111327 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:11 pm to
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This is what they do, you try to meet them halfway on their criteria then to discredit you they discredit their own argument. This is what happens when you try to have an honest discussion with ignorant and dishonest people.

How dare we not take you serious when you comp Philip Rivers and Stafford to Lebron James
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:11 pm to
Hornacek.

was guy3 with Utah the couple times they got to finals. he got open mid range jumpers and lived at ft line. was in my opinion found wanting with the lights the brightest.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48690 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:11 pm to
At this point I don’t expect anything other than the projection you just posted so congrats on being consistently disingenuous.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111327 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:12 pm to
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Explain how the arguments are different. Not by scale, by logic.

Dude has to have it explained to him that Stafford vs Montana isn't comparable to Lebron vs Kobe
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48690 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:12 pm to
Why do you keep lying about that? I didn’t compare them at all.
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
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Member since May 2018
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:12 pm to
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What team from the West had 70+ wins that year to compare to the Warriors?


The implication being that somehow all wins are the same? Or that the early 00s Western Conference isn’t one of most lopsided conference balances in league history?

Instead of asking what you believe “gotcha” questions how about make the point you’re trying to make.
The Power Forward rich early 00s teams like the Kings, the champion Spurs and 3 peat lakers could all win series against that warriors teams that was gassed out by the playoffs. Especially winning at a key position for the Warriors. Draymond vs Webber-Webber all day. Draymond vs Duncan. Shaq kills that squad.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48690 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 3:13 pm to
You continue to lie about what I posted. It’s getting pathetic
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