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re: Ford Dealers Can’t Move All The Mustang Mach-Es They Have For Sale
Posted on 7/21/23 at 10:33 am to Cosmo
Posted on 7/21/23 at 10:33 am to Cosmo
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I dont think automakers want to produce EVs
pure speculation, but I wonder if all of these EV plants are so heavily incentivized by the inflation reduction act that they dont care?
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Posted on 7/21/23 at 10:36 am to member12
I got my first rebate offer from Ford in the mail yesterday, since the pandemic. Up to $2,000 off a new vehicle. I was a bit stunned considering the vacant lots and price gouging that I've seen since covid
Posted on 7/21/23 at 11:11 am to Sun God
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Ford naming a shitball RAV4 knockoff after a mustang is the stupidest fricking thing since Bud Light made tranny cans
As a longtime fan of the Mustang and a previous owner of one (fun fact: they don't float), I feel the need to quote your post for its pinpoint accuracy.
That abomination wasn't a Mustang and had no business carrying that name. At all. Over the last 10-ish years Ford has been doing to the Mustang body style what they did with it from the late 70's through the 90s; going with a more "modern" version which eventually leads to versions not even looking like the classic Mustang. The Mach-E has been about as bad as the jump from the '78 Mustang to the '79 (as far as aesthetics go).
Most major car manufacturers still feel they need to come out with a new model every year in order to entice more buying. These new models need to contain some noticeable level of visual difference from the previous years.
From year-to-year Musk barely touches the exterior (although for his truck, he really needs to go back to the drawing board), instead the majority of changes are in options, options packages and software. This not only lowers cost for the manufacturer, it lowers cost for the repair shop and (eventually) the owner (batteries not included -heh!).
With that, Tesla has come up with some great body styles. They're fairly distinctive and they stick with them. This has lead to Tesla owning the EV market while older manufacturers are still scratching their heads in trying to find a formula which works.
Ford would have been far better off just plopping their EV setup in a 2005 GT frame and calling it a day. That body style (and the performance) brought the Mustang line back from the brink of being shut down, had they gone with that style for the next 5-10 years under the name of Mustang-EV, Electric Mustang, etc. then they likely would have had a market leader on their hands instead of a market loser.
This is a lesson Musk is trying to teach, but the old guard industry can't seem to grasp.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 12:48 pm to carhartt
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Maybe, just maybe, these big car companies are going to realize that consumers don’t see the practicality in EV’s. Maybe they’ll realize that people with common sense want to stick with ICE’s.
This is another situation where the Government is overstepping their boundaries and screwing up life for the regular masses by making all these unattainable fuel mileage regulations.
I think consumers would be more on board with requiring companies to move to hybrid. For people who only drive 40-50 miles a day they make a lot of sense. But I would not want to drive a couple hundred miles then have to wait from 1-4 hours to recharge my car to continue on my trip.
Plus EVs will be hard to recharge after a hurricane or large scale disaster. Many gas stations have diesel or natural gas generators for the pumps but using them for EV recharging would be idiotic.
I wonder when the next big storm is headed to the gulf coast, how many EV's will be left on the side of the road when their battery is dead. What is a normal travel time under those circumstances? From New Orleans to Houston could be 8-12 hours. An EV wont make that trip without a recharge.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 12:55 pm to member12
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I think Tesla is so far ahead in this space that Ford may as well not even try.
Why spend $45k to $60k on the Mach-e when you can get a Tesla with better features for less?
Ford over priced the market and are now suffering for it
Posted on 7/21/23 at 12:57 pm to member12
EV's aren't practical for most people. The Tesla fanclub will argue you to death but it's the truth.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:00 pm to dukeg7213
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EV's aren't practical for most people. The Tesla fanclub will argue you to death but it's the truth.
Why not?
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:03 pm to dukeg7213
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EV's aren't practical for most people.
In terms of range? Most people aren't commuting more than 50 miles per day and chargers (especially Tesla superchargers) are becoming more commonplace. I think my next vehicle purchase will be a smaller EV that is meant just for normal everyday commutes while keeping the Suburban for our long road trips.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:04 pm to bad93ex
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Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:04 pm to dukeg7213
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EV's aren't practical for most people. The Tesla fanclub will argue you to death but it's the truth.
It’s practical for Two car households where one is the primary “road trip” vehicle and the other is a commuter/round town ride
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:16 pm to YOURADHERE
it's not bad. but it's not a mustang.
Offering the "Bronco Sport" (butch lesbian Ford Escape) alongside the "real" Bronco is worse.
Ford reusing "Maverick" on a pickup isn't the same...the old maverick isn't offered anymore.
Offering the "Bronco Sport" (butch lesbian Ford Escape) alongside the "real" Bronco is worse.
Ford reusing "Maverick" on a pickup isn't the same...the old maverick isn't offered anymore.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:18 pm to dukeg7213
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EV's aren't practical for most people. The Tesla fanclub will argue you to death but it's the truth.
If I could get one at a reasonable price I'd probably be game. I need it to get me to work and back (120 miles) and charge overnight at home I think it would work out nicely. Less maintenance. No gas station visits. I haven't compared the electric rate (at home) vs gas but I'd imagine it to be cheaper at the moment.
But I wouldn't be getting it to "save the earth." Toyota is right: you'd get way more "bang for your buck" environmentally if we focused on hybrids.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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Where do y'all come up with bullshite like this? Chain emails
I ride past ford dealers every day and see full lots then look at their websites and see their $65k F-150 XLT’s. And I guess you were under a rock in 2021/2022.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:48 pm to Grievous Angel
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But I wouldn't be getting it to "save the earth." Toyota is right: you'd get way more "bang for your buck" environmentally if we focused on hybrids.
Spot on. EV’s work fine for people with chargers at home and short commutes who also have an ICE vehicle in the household for road trips/power outages.
It’s a good chance to save some gas money but yeah the last thing on most people’s mind right now is the environmental factor.
PHEV’s will be the stop gap for the next 20 years
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:50 pm to jcaz
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I ride past ford dealers every day and see full lots then look at their websites and see their $65k F-150 XLT’s.
Fist off XLT's aren't bare bones. And you're likely looking at 4wd with some sort of dealer addon appearance nonsense. I'd like to see a link to some of these $65k trucks btw.
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And I guess you were under a rock in 2021/2022.
$65k bare bones trucks weren't sitting on lots then either.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 1:57 pm to member12
Posted on 7/21/23 at 3:01 pm to member12
Yall know I drive for a living, and I'm telling you I can count on one hand how many ive seen driving across the country. Nobody is buying that shitty looking thing.
And yes I can count to and past five.
And yes I can count to and past five.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 3:15 pm to alphaandomega
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I think consumers would be more on board with requiring companies to move to hybrid.
I don't understand why plug-in hybrids are not being offered. Friend has a Ford Fusion that can go about 20 miles on pure electric and then switches over to a hybrid mode. Daughter drives it to high school, so they may go weeks without burning any gas. But if they need to make a long trip it can operate just like a normal car.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 3:16 pm to SaintEB
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Is it possible that people that wanted EVs already have them and they overestimated the demand? Or they are just too expensive? There is a reason.
People that want EVs don’t want Fords. Or full-sized trucks.
Toyota has taken a more measured approach, and folks are paying insane prices and waiting for months for the RAV4 Prime PHEV.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 3:18 pm to ChickennBiscuits
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Toyota has taken a more measured approach, and folks are paying insane prices and waiting for months for the RAV4 Prime PHEV.
People paid insane prices and waited for Ford EVs too
Then they built more of them.
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