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BK's Tenure: Beat Bama, win the West, start year 2 at 0-1
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:14 pm
There's a lot of BK hate going on lately, but after the absolute mess he took over in the wake of Coach O leaving us with less than 40 players or whatever it was and a WR playing QB in the bowl game....
If you were told before Kelly coached a single game, that in year 1 we would beat Bama and win the West, and in year 2 we'd start with a bad loss to FSU, who in their right mind would not be happy with this overall result?
That doesn't excuse the Sunday performance, it was awful. Every position unit lost their matchup, no question. But this is a big picture discussion.
Big picture, Kelly has outperformed all of our expectations thus far, so it's odd that this is getting lost in translation somehow.
If you were told before Kelly coached a single game, that in year 1 we would beat Bama and win the West, and in year 2 we'd start with a bad loss to FSU, who in their right mind would not be happy with this overall result?
That doesn't excuse the Sunday performance, it was awful. Every position unit lost their matchup, no question. But this is a big picture discussion.
Big picture, Kelly has outperformed all of our expectations thus far, so it's odd that this is getting lost in translation somehow.
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:14 pm to shel311
We've lost 3 of our last 4 games, all in pretty embarrassing fashion. Losing to FSU in back to back years was not part of my expectations for him.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:15 pm to shel311
His team is soft and lacks leadership
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:18 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Agreed, but my post specifically was about his entire tenure, which has been successful to start.
We've lost 3 of our last 4 games, all in pretty embarrassing fashion.
quote:Did you expect as much success as he's had, beating Bama and winning the West...was that above your expectation?
Losing to FSU in back to back years was not part of my expectations for him.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:18 pm to burke985
quote:This comment is useless, but thanks anyway.
His team is soft and lacks leadership
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:18 pm to shel311
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Big picture, Kelly has outperformed all of our expectations thus far, so it's odd that this is getting lost in translation somehow.
I don't think it was the loss or even the score that has a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
It was a lot of little things that added up.
The biggest being the players giving up / collapsing in the 4th.
It was a 7 point game to start the quarter. The next 15 minutes showed us completely falling apart, giving little to no effort on both sides of the ball.
Then there's the frustrating things of JD not making any progress from last season, AA not really being that Swiss army knife we had hoped, Perk being used about as ineffectively as you possibly could, and some other guys just not stepping up.
I really don't think we'd be having this meltdown just from a loss to a good team in the opener. Feels like there's way bigger problems that will hurt us throughout the season if not corrected.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:19 pm to shel311
For him to lose against FSU last year with 39 scholarship players and then do what he did shows what is possible. No excuses for this game but he is not les miles like people are making him out to be. He will do what it takes to win and I think we only lose one more game this year. People need to lighten up, this can be the catalyst just like last year. And FSU will be there til the end this year. Better to get this out of the way now and kick it into gear after week 1. No one else in the SEC put it on the line like we did this week and it will pay dividends
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:21 pm to BayouBuckwheat87
quote:I'm not asking or saying anyone should NOT be upset about the FSU result, not at all. I'm upset with it.
It was a lot of little things that added up.
The biggest being the players giving up / collapsing in the 4th.
It was a 7 point game to start the quarter. The next 15 minutes showed us completely falling apart, giving little to no effort on both sides of the ball.
I'm talking about the complete breakdown of so many posters essentially calling BK a failure, when his tenure to date has been successful...overall.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:21 pm to shel311
quote:
Agreed, but my post specifically was about his entire tenure, which has been successful to start.
I'm not so sure I agree. There are some extremely troubling trends that have been there from the start.
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Did you expect as much success as he's had, beating Bama and winning the West...was that above your expectation?
Winning the west to get shellacked in Atl was a nice surprise, sure. But it only means anything if you build on it. I still did not expect, nor will I give a pass for, losing to FSU back to back.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:24 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:If you were surprised, that's another way of saying BK exceeded your expectation.
Winning the west to get shellacked in Atl was a nice surprise, sure.
quote:I agree, but this is 1 game. You conceded above BK went above your expectations last season, 1 game should not undo the entirety of that and now you think his tenure is a failure, and those are the folks my OP is for.
But it only means anything if you build on it.
A concern about a trend of losing 3 of 4 is fine, no issue. That's completely different from the tenor of this board which is BK has failed, we wasted $100mil and we're stuck with him for 10 more years.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:25 pm to shel311
When a negative trend develops, you don’t go back to a period before the hire and say “but before we knew anything, we’d have taken this, right?”.
My daughter is a good student, but if she did great for most of the year then badly failed 3 of her final 4 tests I would be concerned.
My daughter is a good student, but if she did great for most of the year then badly failed 3 of her final 4 tests I would be concerned.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:26 pm to shel311
I did not expect to beat bama
I also didn’t expect to lose to 4-7 A&M and get blown out by Tennessee, and get blown out by fsu
I also didn’t expect to lose to 4-7 A&M and get blown out by Tennessee, and get blown out by fsu
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:27 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
quote:Would you completely write her off as a failure going forward and she can never right the ship and it's just a lost cause?
My daughter is a good student, but if she did great for most of the year then badly failed 3 of her final 4 tests I would be concerned.
Those are the posters this OP is for, and they are 100s of posts and dozens of threads with posters in complete meltdown mode right now.
quote:If you had success, then a small sample size of a negative trend, would you completely pull a project and call it a failure? That's the apt analogy.
When a negative trend develops, you don’t go back to a period before the hire and say “but before we knew anything, we’d have taken this, right?”.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:29 pm to lsupride87
quote:Agreed
I did not expect to beat bama
quote:Agreed
I also didn’t expect to lose to 4-7 A&M
quote:Do no agree, i called that one
and get blown out by Tennessee
quote:Agreed
and get blown out by fsu
Now let's talk big picture, before BK ever coached 1 game, if I told you BK would beat Bama in year 1, win the West, but then lose badly to FSU in year 2, would you think that is some huge failure, or more than you expected him to do in 1 year + 1 game?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:31 pm to shel311
quote:
Now let's talk big picture, before BK ever coached 1 game, if I told you BK would beat Bama in year 1, win the West, but then lose badly to FSU in year 2, would you think that is some huge failure, or more than you expected him to do in 1 year + 1 game?
Any reason you left out the inexplicable arse kicking by A&M in this hypothetical? You can't ignore the bad stuff just because he beat Bama unexpectedly. That sure looks like what Kelly did though.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:33 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I didn't, I specifically said 1 year + 1 game...the entire thing. I also specifically addressed it when I quoted it in Pride's post about that game directly, not sure what you're talking about here, as it was addressed multiple times.
Any reason you left out the inexplicable arse kicking by A&M in this hypothetical?
It's been above your expectation to date. You know that, you may not want to admit it. But you know we played above our expectations OVERALL last season.
quote:I haven't, see above. I addressed it every step of the way.
You can't ignore the bad stuff just because he beat Bama unexpectedly
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:37 pm to shel311
quote:
I didn't
You most certainly did
quote:
before BK ever coached 1 game, if I told you BK would beat Bama in year 1, win the West, but then lose badly to FSU in year 2,
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It's been above your expectation to date.
Maybe before this last game.
quote:
I haven't, see above. I addressed it every step of the way.
So then you agree the trend since then is god fricking awful? Cool. If this was your expectation for where we would be, good for you. I expected more.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:37 pm to shel311
The “winning the west” is kind a happenstance of sorts
I expected LSU to be 8-4 last year. We went 9-3 in the regular season
So slightly better than what my personal expectations were. Now, we started off with an arse kicking to fsu
We shouldn’t “write off Kelly”, but the lack of what looked like talent was concerning to me
I expected LSU to be 8-4 last year. We went 9-3 in the regular season
So slightly better than what my personal expectations were. Now, we started off with an arse kicking to fsu
We shouldn’t “write off Kelly”, but the lack of what looked like talent was concerning to me
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:39 pm to lsupride87
quote:
The “winning the west” is kind a happenstance of sorts
I expected LSU to be 8-4 last year. We went 9-3 in the regular season
So slightly better than what my personal expectations were. Now, we started off with an arse kicking to fsu
We shouldn’t “write off Kelly”, but the lack of what looked like talent was concerning to me
This. All of it. We got lucky Tennessee beat Bama finally to give us a the west title. That's cool and all, but we still lost to FSU and get blown out twice in conference in the regular season. We should be better than just being happy we won our superbowl against bama.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:39 pm to shel311
This board is incapable of having the discussion you want.
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