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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 10/31/23 at 7:56 am to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 10/31/23 at 7:56 am to LegendInMyMind
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I saw that last night. As bad as I hate to say it, I'm going to need some proof of that one. Not that I don't think those bastards are capable of it, but it just feels/sounds like embellishment or exaggeration at this point.
Yeah, I’m not so sure about that either. Not putting it past them, but doing that while supposedly gang raping the mother, “over, and over, and over”?
Did they leave her alive?
Might be a factual report, but other reports have been proven false.
And again, not putting it past them, but this might be false reporting to stir emotions and reverse a propaganda war.
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Posted on 10/31/23 at 7:58 am to Mo Jeaux
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Why are you so vested in this being true?
This could be asked from 9/11 truthers and holocaust deniers.
We're talking about a group of people who murdered, tortured, and raped an incredible amount of innocent people. They've paraded the desecrated bodies through the streets through crowds of cheering people. It has been proven that they've murdered children as well.
By default, I'll believe the claims of terrorists doing very terrorists things unless they can be definitively proven otherwise.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 8:00 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:05 am to riverdiver
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Yeah, I’m not so sure about that either. Not putting it past them, but doing that while supposedly gang raping the mother, “over, and over, and over”? Did they leave her alive? Might be a factual report, but other reports have been proven false. And again, not putting it past them, but this might be false reporting to stir emotions and reverse a propaganda war.
You bring up a good point. This is a war and one of the main weapons in any war is propaganda. As I’ve said, right now all we have to go on is two diametrically opposed claims. We can use context clues like past behavior on the part of Hamas to say this latest alleged atrocity is very much in character for Hamas. That much is obvious. This is why many herd are accepting the claim at face value. On the other hand, why others like Mo are rejecting the claim, that has to come from a standpoint of bias and has no context clues to support it.
But the bottom line is, at least as of this morning, we can’t say for sure this story is true or not. It would make perfect sense for it to be true. I’d go so far as to say it probably is true; key word being probably. But until there is actual proof, we cannot come to a definitive conclusion.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:10 am to Eighteen
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I’d love to hear from someone on the left what good and logical outcome would a ceasefire do?
People only request a cease-fire when they're losing.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:15 am to TigerFanatic99
Sorry, I am not going to allow sympathy for the terrorists here.
If you want to be pro-Hamas, find another site.
If you want to be pro-Hamas, find another site.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 8:16 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:20 am to Chicken
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Sorry, I am not going to allow sympathy for the terrorists here.
If you want to be pro-Hamas, find another site.
Supporters of terrorists are terrorists.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:22 am to Darth_Vader
What people are failing to understand is that the story of extremes is usually in the middle. Were 40 children beheaded? Likely not, but they were likely killed. Does that make it better or worse? Was a child baked alive? Likely not, but does that make it worse than the parent and child bound together and burned alive? The points I am making are the ones that were verified by CCTV, Hamas Go-Pros or the post-mortem photographic evidence.
The IDF actually does a pretty good job from what I have seen in calling balls and strikes on this. Their spokesman actually spoke to the child baked alive issue. There is no need to embellish the evil Hamas did in October 7th, 2023. The Extremists will defend Hamas with stories of atrocities visited upon Palestinians from 75 years ago or talk about the children Israel is bombing….the ones they have either indoctrinated to their hate or are forcing to be human shields.
The IDF actually does a pretty good job from what I have seen in calling balls and strikes on this. Their spokesman actually spoke to the child baked alive issue. There is no need to embellish the evil Hamas did in October 7th, 2023. The Extremists will defend Hamas with stories of atrocities visited upon Palestinians from 75 years ago or talk about the children Israel is bombing….the ones they have either indoctrinated to their hate or are forcing to be human shields.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:24 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Their spokesman actually spoke to the child baked alive issue
I completely read this the wrong way until I got to the word "issue".
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:24 am to Chicken
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Sorry, I am not going to allow sympathy for the terrorists here. If you want to be pro-Hamas, find another site.
It boggles my mind how anyone cannot see Hamas is a terrorist organization. Their founding charter states their main goal is the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel. When they say “free Palestine”, that’s what they mean. They consider all of Israel as Palestine. And they consider freeing Palestine as slaughtering all Jews in Israel and destroying it as a state. They have for decades carried out a sustained terrorist campaign Israel. And this latest conflict was started by Hamas staging the worst terrorist attack against Israel since its founding. None of this is debatable. Now I don’t know if Hamas terrorists actually did put this bs y in an oven. But what I do know is, based on what we’ve already seen from Hamas, this is entirely in keeping with their murderous character.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 8:28 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:46 am to Darth_Vader
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When they say “free Palestine”, that’s what they mean.
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is a call for the genocide of Jewish people and the destruction of Israel. This is a fact, and anyone supporting or chanting this slogan is a terrorist and should be treated as such.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:01 am to MoLiberty
The question I want to ask the Palestinian supporters are: Israel is technologically and militarily superior to Palestine and has the capability of wiping them off the map. Has that happened and why or why not? Secondly, if Palestine were technologically and militarily superior to Israel, would they allow Israel to exist?
To me, it's pretty clear that Hamas and Hezbollah would go scorched earth on the Israelis if they had the ability to do so. Israel, for all it's faults, at least tries to coexist.
To me, it's pretty clear that Hamas and Hezbollah would go scorched earth on the Israelis if they had the ability to do so. Israel, for all it's faults, at least tries to coexist.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:03 am to BottomlandBrew
If Hamas & the Palestinians were to lay down arms and live morally, there would be peace.
If Israel were to lay down arms and live morally, they would be wiped out immediately.
They ain’t getting wiped out.
Edited to be more inclusive, as correctly pointed out.
If Israel were to lay down arms and live morally, they would be wiped out immediately.
They ain’t getting wiped out.
Edited to be more inclusive, as correctly pointed out.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:28 am to Darth_Vader
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It boggles my mind how anyone cannot see Hamas is a terrorist organization. Their founding charter states their main goal is the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel. When they say “free Palestine”, that’s what they mean. They consider all of Israel as Palestine. And they consider freeing Palestine as slaughtering all Jews in Israel and destroying it as a state. They have for decades carried out a sustained terrorist campaign Israel. And this latest conflict was started by Hamas staging the worst terrorist attack against Israel since its founding. None of this is debatable. Now I don’t know if Hamas terrorists actually did put this bs y in an oven. But what I do know is, based on what we’ve already seen from Hamas, this is entirely in keeping with their murderous character.
It gets better when you query these supposed intellectuals about the tag words they use to make their claims:
Colonizer: how can Israelis be colonizers when they have a continuous presence on the land for 3,000 years.
Apartheid: How is it an apartheid state when Arabs/Palestinians are Israeli citizens, live freely in Israel and are members of the IDF? All they have to do is live peacefully.
Open Air Prison: Gaza self determined their destiny. Israel left Gaza and Hamas basically immediately started basing attacks out of there. They have been firing rockets for almost 2 decades and Israel only built a border & had limited incursions to protect their citizens
I can go on and on but ultimately the farce is easily “debunked” yet it festers because academia allows it and is aided by the media.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:34 am to ABearsFanNMS
Yeah, it's like I saw from on group of pro-palestinian "protesters" this weekend chanting "End the occupation NOW!" Well, didn't Israel remove all presence from Gaza in 2005? What occupation are they speaking of?
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:37 am to Darth_Vader
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It boggles my mind how anyone cannot see Hamas is a terrorist organization.
It is blind hatred and its the scariest part of this.
Almost the entire ME has come out in support of Hamas. Did you see what Erdogan said? And they are a freaking NATO member.
No amount of facts or truth about Hamas' brutality will change their minds. They have a deep, deep hatred for Jews with an ideology that justifies and encourages it. Scary stuff.
We aren't going to "fix" them with truth. Not saying this is what you are proposing, but this event has exposed (if there were any doubt) for who they are.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:39 am to ridlejs
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Did you see what Erdogan said?
Getting lectured about war crimes from the Turks is irony of the highest order.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:46 am to ridlejs
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It is blind hatred and its the scariest part of this.
Almost the entire ME has come out in support of Hamas. Did you see what Erdogan said? And they are a freaking NATO member.
No amount of facts or truth about Hamas' brutality will change their minds. They have a deep, deep hatred for Jews with an ideology that justifies and encourages it. Scary stuff.
We aren't going to "fix" them with truth. Not saying this is what you are proposing, but this event has exposed (if there were any doubt) for who they are.
The only way to deal with them is violence.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:54 am to Darth_Vader
We need to get this ro page 274 so I don't keep getting the damn stop sign.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:28 am to Bullfrog
quote:there is no Hamas in the West Bank and IDF has killed over 300 Palestinians there. 200 of them before October 7th
If Hamas were to lay down arms and live morally, there would be peace.
Settlers have killed many too, they burned down Palestinian houses and cars too(also before October 7th).
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 10:30 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:29 am to Chicken
Chicken I get your point, but being skeptical of one of the most powerful propaganda machines in the world is not ‘sympathy for Hamas’.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 10:30 am
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