A condition that will obviously be met

Romans 12:25
25 ¶ Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written

Jeremiah 31:31

Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Now how can anyone claim that Jeremiah is talking about some Gentiles who believed, and somehow became the new jews? The Bible clearly says they are direct decedents of the Jews brought out of Egypt .

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Posted by JJJimmyJimJames

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Posted on 11/6/23 at 6:58 am to Revelator

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Revelator

you speak in a childish ignorance

If the imposters become Judeans, then so they do.. in obvious ways

If they dont they are not chosen; and people like you are forced to OPENLY support criminal evil

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Posted by Mo Jeaux

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Posted on 11/6/23 at 7:11 am to Revelator

You’ve clearly made a “graven image” out of the Jews. They’re the focal point of your religious beliefs.

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Posted by Mr. Misanthrope

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Member since Nov 2012

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Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:10 pm to Revelator

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A condition that will obviously be met.

Yes, obviously so, because Holy Scripture tells us this.

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And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written

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Now how can anyone claim that Jeremiah is talking about some Gentiles who believed, and somehow became the new jews? The Bible clearly says they are direct decedents of the Jews brought out of Egypt.

The Bible clearly does say this.
Taking the passage quoted and your closing paragraph as the bookends and linchpin of your argument, two questions pertain

1. The question of conditional aspects of Israel’s salvation. Why would Paul make the assertions you quoted and yet say this in the same epistle?

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And even they (Israel), if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

and this:

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13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them.

2. Who is Israel? In Paul’s epistle to the Romans he says this:

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But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

Now Paul’s position is that Israel is all Jewish believers and all Gentile believers having been made one man out of two by Jesus’s Crucifixion and Resurrection which broke down the barriers that separated Jew from Gentile and both from God.

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11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.