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re: Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease **updated pg 5
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:41 am to GREENHEAD22
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:41 am to GREENHEAD22
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will get doenvoted like crazy and some fellas on the OB are not going to like this. I think it is a matter of time before they prove a CWD CJD connection.
I agree, but there isn’t proof yet. Will likely impact a way of life in deer hunting.
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 11:06 am to GeauxTigers123
Yeah, I stopped eating deer meat 2 years ago for this reason. Troubled by the fact that is may not show up for many years...so it could be dormant in thousands of us now, and we just don't know it. Whether its from deer, hog, or joey's best friends, the Chinese.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 11:25 am to jeffsdad
Does if have to be something from the CNS that you eat, like the brain or bone marrow or can you get it from cooked deer backstrap?
I would think if you can get it from cooked deer meat there would be way more cases than 1 out 1 million.
I would think if you can get it from cooked deer meat there would be way more cases than 1 out 1 million.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 11:27 am to DeltaHog
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I’m shocked how many people eat squirrel brains. What the hell folks
I thought this was a pretty common thing in poor, rural Alabama. My grandfather on my mother's side loved this and ate it all the time. I had planned on squirrel hunting soon although I don't eat the brains.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 11:48 am to GBPackTigers
Probably correct. But you really won’t be certain for 30 years.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 11:59 am to GBPackTigers
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Does if have to be something from the CNS that you eat, like the brain or bone marrow or can you get it from cooked deer backstrap?
If it's like every other prion disease, it has to have CNS material. The problem with Mad Cow was that the UK was still including it in ground beef and other processed meats at the time, as well as feeding it to the cows, exponentially worsening the outbreak.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:12 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:13 pm to Bama Bird
I have known about CJD since the early 80's. We laughed at the idea of eating squirrel brains and never heard of anyone actually getting it. This thread is crazy with all the people who have been impacted. There is something going on.
I would say, do not use the same meat saw to cut off that deer rack, and then use it to cut up the rest of the deer at the very least.
I would say, do not use the same meat saw to cut off that deer rack, and then use it to cut up the rest of the deer at the very least.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:56 pm to Spoonbilla
damn, I've eaten ground dear Bolognese every other meal for about the last week.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:38 pm to Bama Bird
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If it's like every other prion disease, it has to have CNS material. The problem with Mad Cow was that the UK was still including it in ground beef and other processed meats at the time, as well as feeding it to the cows, exponentially worsening the outbreak.
Commercial meat processing now days uses increasingly aggressive ways to strip the last scraps of meat from spinal columns. This can result in bits of spinal tissue being included in ground beef, increasing the risk of prion contamination.
The best way to process your own deer meat and decrease the risk of disease transmission is to debone your deer. Eliminate using saws to cut through bones/spine.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 2:19 pm to GBPackTigers
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Does if have to be something from the CNS that you eat, like the brain or bone marrow or can you get it from cooked deer backstrap?
Yes. Brain or spinal cord. POSSIBLY major nerves.
Bone marrow should be fine.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 2:32 pm to Tupelo
I find it interesting that people get freaked out over an obscure ,rare disease such as CJD.Deaths estimated to be about 350 a year in US.
On the other hand in 2022 699,659 people died from cardiac disease.607,790 people died of cancer.Both of which are caused,in large part,by the Standard American Diet.
Preserved meat(ham,sausage,bacon,etc) are a known cancer risk as are grilled and smoked meats(steaks,burgers).Then there are highly processed foods,fast foods and such which are a mainstay of the American diet.
But there are those that won’t eat deer and are horrified at the idea of eating squirrel heads(my favorite part,BTW) from the speculative risk of catching CJD,which has never been proven and is very rare.
I have a cousin that died last year from it,Drs said it was spontaneous which I have no idea how that is determined vs.acquired.
It’s a bad way to die but personally I’d rather die from that or Alzheimers than ALS or terminal cancer.If I’m dying I would rather not know about it.
On the other hand in 2022 699,659 people died from cardiac disease.607,790 people died of cancer.Both of which are caused,in large part,by the Standard American Diet.
Preserved meat(ham,sausage,bacon,etc) are a known cancer risk as are grilled and smoked meats(steaks,burgers).Then there are highly processed foods,fast foods and such which are a mainstay of the American diet.
But there are those that won’t eat deer and are horrified at the idea of eating squirrel heads(my favorite part,BTW) from the speculative risk of catching CJD,which has never been proven and is very rare.
I have a cousin that died last year from it,Drs said it was spontaneous which I have no idea how that is determined vs.acquired.
It’s a bad way to die but personally I’d rather die from that or Alzheimers than ALS or terminal cancer.If I’m dying I would rather not know about it.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 3:52 pm to LSUA 75
Deboning your deer saves cooler space, and makes disposing of trimmings at home easier. So it's convenient and worthwhile in any case.
I believe prion diseases invoke so much fear because they're totally untreatable and rob you of your dignity. Most people have never knowingly eaten brains (who knows what's in potted meat,etc), so giving up eating brains isn't an imposition for them. My dad used to eat squirrel brains, and hog brains scrambled in eggs. If I ever did, I was too young to remember it.
I believe prion diseases invoke so much fear because they're totally untreatable and rob you of your dignity. Most people have never knowingly eaten brains (who knows what's in potted meat,etc), so giving up eating brains isn't an imposition for them. My dad used to eat squirrel brains, and hog brains scrambled in eggs. If I ever did, I was too young to remember it.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 3:55 pm to LSUA 75
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Preserved meat(ham,sausage,bacon,etc) are a known cancer risk as are grilled and smoked meats(steaks,burgers).
What isn’t a “known cancer risk” in 2023?
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:35 pm to JoseVargasTX
Started seeing symptoms October 16— today family discussing end of life plans and hospice. Unreal.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:51 pm to JoseVargasTX
How can they diagnose him though? If they’re so sure he has it?
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:58 pm to JasonDBlaha
Great question for a doctor. However—I’m guessing symptoms are so similar and they’ve tested for everything else and none of those tests match.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:02 pm to Tupelo
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Commercial meat processing now days uses increasingly aggressive ways to strip the last scraps of meat from spinal columns. This can result in bits of spinal tissue being included in ground beef, increasing the risk of prion contamination.
Welp. New fear unlocked
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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People also used to eat hogs-head cheese,
Our janitor used to bring this for his lunch. He was the only one who didn't have to worry about fridge raiders.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:03 pm to Breesus
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This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 11:54 am
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