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Posted on 12/25/23 at 9:40 pm to king47
Isaiah Simmons in high school. Position fit could be an issue. That said, he's explosive with that exceleration. Disruptor.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 9:58 pm to lsufanva
I mean he’s got some growing to do but guys are evaluated on potential all the time and you can clearly see that he has potential.
I think his rating for the most part is accurate for the time being but there are some extreme gaps in quite a few of our players rankings between one site and the next. 90% of these HS recruits aren’t completely developed physically or mentally for the college game.
Brian Kelly mentioned this himself in the interview where he’s giving his opinion on this years class after signing day. He said that they have multiple guys that clearly have to be developed but also mentioned that they also clearly have all the tools you’d want to have as a HS recruit moving onto college.
Basically saying once we get them into our weight training program and working with our coaches, that they’ll be exactly what LSU needs to compete in the SEC. They have all the right traits, attitude, physical abilities and a good football mind for the college game. They all have room to exponentially grow and really it sounds like that’s what they targeted this year.
There are so many of these players who have topped out at the HS level, think they can just dominate in college and end up not taking well to the coaches philosophy. Those guys are sometimes easily distracted, become insecure, and unsure of themselves. Then you have to really work with them mentally to stay with this process that will just take longer than expected. Don’t get me wrong there are some great athletes who know exactly what it will take and end up doing well but you want to target guys who know they have tons of work to do and are ready for the challenge awaiting them. Guys who thrive in that environment. When you have a class full of those dudes but also have all the physical abilities and are ready to build on it, then you have a class that will fight for whatever the next goal is and get better as a team.
You always have a chance with those types of players because all you need now is time and not as much time because they already know what they have to do coming in. There’s no mental set backs or those limitations are few at the very least.
I think his rating for the most part is accurate for the time being but there are some extreme gaps in quite a few of our players rankings between one site and the next. 90% of these HS recruits aren’t completely developed physically or mentally for the college game.
Brian Kelly mentioned this himself in the interview where he’s giving his opinion on this years class after signing day. He said that they have multiple guys that clearly have to be developed but also mentioned that they also clearly have all the tools you’d want to have as a HS recruit moving onto college.
Basically saying once we get them into our weight training program and working with our coaches, that they’ll be exactly what LSU needs to compete in the SEC. They have all the right traits, attitude, physical abilities and a good football mind for the college game. They all have room to exponentially grow and really it sounds like that’s what they targeted this year.
There are so many of these players who have topped out at the HS level, think they can just dominate in college and end up not taking well to the coaches philosophy. Those guys are sometimes easily distracted, become insecure, and unsure of themselves. Then you have to really work with them mentally to stay with this process that will just take longer than expected. Don’t get me wrong there are some great athletes who know exactly what it will take and end up doing well but you want to target guys who know they have tons of work to do and are ready for the challenge awaiting them. Guys who thrive in that environment. When you have a class full of those dudes but also have all the physical abilities and are ready to build on it, then you have a class that will fight for whatever the next goal is and get better as a team.
You always have a chance with those types of players because all you need now is time and not as much time because they already know what they have to do coming in. There’s no mental set backs or those limitations are few at the very least.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 10:11 pm to BayouBengal99
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I think his rating for the most part is accurate for the time being but there are some extreme gaps in quite a few of our players rankings between one site and the next
You have generic information in the rest of your post which of course is true. Obviously, I don't agree with the recruiting services most of the time...mainly due to it SUPPOSEDLY projecting pro ratings 4 years from now instead of college abilities next year. Having said that, I'm not sure what rating you think is accurate. I don't know the composite formula but obviously one thing is true. 247 is going to weigh their own opinon more than any other. You take out the low 4* rating from them and all of a sudden that 187th best player rating rises to top 100 best player.
This post was edited on 12/25/23 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 12/25/23 at 11:05 pm to NotaStarGazer
Cobbins is a classic tweener. He’s not 6-3 first of all. As others have posted, he is too small to play DE right now. He will probably grow out of being a box safety (his current size), and I don’t see much coverage film on him anyway to know if he can even do that. That pretty much leaves traditional LBer for him. Can he play that position? IDK. Can he put on 35 lbs and play DE? IDK. He’s hard to project right now.
I see why they took him, but tweeners can be tricky. Even Perk is a tweener. Not big enough to play DE down after down in SEC at 6-1 to 6-2 and 215-220. He struggled early and looked lost as a traditional LBer vs FSU, and then was moved to his most recent position that drops him into coverage a lot. This helps his NFL draft stock, but it means less TFL’s and sacks.
Merry Christmas to all
I see why they took him, but tweeners can be tricky. Even Perk is a tweener. Not big enough to play DE down after down in SEC at 6-1 to 6-2 and 215-220. He struggled early and looked lost as a traditional LBer vs FSU, and then was moved to his most recent position that drops him into coverage a lot. This helps his NFL draft stock, but it means less TFL’s and sacks.
Merry Christmas to all
Posted on 12/25/23 at 11:41 pm to NotaStarGazer
If what I posted is simply generic then 99% of the post here are either generic or just plain ignorant. It may be generic to a coach because it is, but it sure isn’t for most people on this forum.
I don’t see anyone posting about how the mental gymnastics these kids have to go through from HS super human hero to just an average, to below average Joe at a major college, really affects so many of these highly rated kids. It’s a real thing and is much harder to overcome than a playbook or the weight room. The 17/18/19 year old kid having to compete with a 22 or 23 year old man.
They don’t all come into college with a high level of maturity and the discipline it takes to go through failure on a daily basis when they were just an All American, All State, local celebrity a year or two ago.
Most people just assume that they should transition because of how easily they dominated in HS. So if you have coaches who target both the high level skilled athlete with the maturity needed to transition into college and play with men or young men then it can absolutely impact your classes overall success rate.
If you simply target the best athletes in HS with the highest ranking because, of course you have the magic maturity potion, then you might be surprised with the amount of highly rated kids who don’t make it. How many end up transferring because that’s the easy way out and is the popular thing. You might be surprised how many of them don’t perform well off the field or how many just plain fail because they were not ready for reality.
Social media just made things even worse for the majority of young people. It can be great when used properly as can all the other resources and accolades. It’s a fine line from reality and fantasy though. It’s so much easier to fall into the fantasy world. A coach who has the experience to separate the average athlete from the mentally strong athlete is the one who will likely have the most success.
I guess some coaches have the ability to bring in any type of athlete with all the physical abilities and mold them mentally as well but I sure wouldn’t want to build my foundation that way in this new era of CFB. It may have been different 5 years ago but not anymore. You can fall behind real quick if you keep this mentality after consecutive class failures. Recruiting is just different now and for new coaches at big programs, it’s really difficult to balance these situations.
I don’t see anyone posting about how the mental gymnastics these kids have to go through from HS super human hero to just an average, to below average Joe at a major college, really affects so many of these highly rated kids. It’s a real thing and is much harder to overcome than a playbook or the weight room. The 17/18/19 year old kid having to compete with a 22 or 23 year old man.
They don’t all come into college with a high level of maturity and the discipline it takes to go through failure on a daily basis when they were just an All American, All State, local celebrity a year or two ago.
Most people just assume that they should transition because of how easily they dominated in HS. So if you have coaches who target both the high level skilled athlete with the maturity needed to transition into college and play with men or young men then it can absolutely impact your classes overall success rate.
If you simply target the best athletes in HS with the highest ranking because, of course you have the magic maturity potion, then you might be surprised with the amount of highly rated kids who don’t make it. How many end up transferring because that’s the easy way out and is the popular thing. You might be surprised how many of them don’t perform well off the field or how many just plain fail because they were not ready for reality.
Social media just made things even worse for the majority of young people. It can be great when used properly as can all the other resources and accolades. It’s a fine line from reality and fantasy though. It’s so much easier to fall into the fantasy world. A coach who has the experience to separate the average athlete from the mentally strong athlete is the one who will likely have the most success.
I guess some coaches have the ability to bring in any type of athlete with all the physical abilities and mold them mentally as well but I sure wouldn’t want to build my foundation that way in this new era of CFB. It may have been different 5 years ago but not anymore. You can fall behind real quick if you keep this mentality after consecutive class failures. Recruiting is just different now and for new coaches at big programs, it’s really difficult to balance these situations.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 11:59 pm to lsufanva
Disagree, he’s a a DE in a great strength and conditioning program. None of our De come in at 240. He’s a specialist when it comes to rushing the QB. It’s all how we utilize him but there is a skill set there to coach up.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:11 am to Penrod
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:39 am to Chalkywhite84
Ion care what y’all say, that’s voltiger
Posted on 12/26/23 at 6:00 am to Lester Earl
Ojulari was listed 20lbs heavier, had a 4.4 shuttle and a 42” vert. They aren’t close to the same prospect coming out of Hs.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 7:19 am to king47
I'm not saying he is a tweener, but LSU is going to have to find the right places to utilize this young man bc he is a baller.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:50 am to SoloTiger
Cobbins IMO is not a tweener. I gave the physical stats of him and Perkins out of HS and almost the same. Perkins IS a BIT FASTER but Cobbins tackles better/more strength. Perkins STILL can not remotely bull rush a blocker...he has to run around him on a blitz. BTW, that is why House I bet quit rushing him as much. If someone can get in front of Perkins, he won't get a sack. Cobbins would have to put on too much weight to be a DE. He is a LBer both in physical size and physical skills.
Actually, I wrote my first paragraph after reading your first paragraph only. I actually agree with some of your 2nd paragraph. House wasn't as stupid as some think for changing Perkins' use. I described why in my 1st paragraph and you hinted at that in your 2nd one. The bottom line: Perkins and Cobbins CAN be traditional LBers. Perkins need to improve his tackling/get stronger and Cobbins needs to add about 20 pounds. Once again, I NEVER talk pro potential...I'm talking COLLEGE only.
Actually, I wrote my first paragraph after reading your first paragraph only. I actually agree with some of your 2nd paragraph. House wasn't as stupid as some think for changing Perkins' use. I described why in my 1st paragraph and you hinted at that in your 2nd one. The bottom line: Perkins and Cobbins CAN be traditional LBers. Perkins need to improve his tackling/get stronger and Cobbins needs to add about 20 pounds. Once again, I NEVER talk pro potential...I'm talking COLLEGE only.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 8:53 am
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:03 am to Tigerfan14
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Ojulari was listed 20lbs heavier, had a 4.4 shuttle and a 42” vert. They aren’t close to the same prospect coming out of Hs.
ok high school measurables are bullshite, even some of the verified ones.
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and a 42” vert.
case in point; Ojulari jumped 32" at the NFL combine
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:06 am to Tigerfan14
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Ojulari was listed 20lbs heavier, had a 4.4 shuttle and a 42” vert. They aren’t close to the same prospect coming out of Hs.
Marquise Hill was 6-8 300 pounds depending g on which publications you looked at.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:10 am to NotaStarGazer
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Cobbins IMO is not a tweener. I gave the physical stats of him and Perkins out of HS and almost the same.
He is not a tweener(he's a Jack LB), but he is on the smaller side. But most edge rushers come into college and grow into their bodies, so it's not like this is abnormal.
And won't play the same position as Perkins, so it's not even worth comparing them.
Tho he isn't very good, this is LSU's current Jack's high school profile. He is now 250 lb.
Harold Perkins does not ever need to get above 225 or so to play where he is currently.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:20 am to king47
He looks good. But he does have an edge integrity issue. He often overpursues to the edge and gets washed behind the pocket. He often still gets home in his high-school film, but this is unacceptable at the college level (I'm looking at you Savion Jones). I also saw him cut back inside on a few of those plays where the tackle trying rolling him outside, his inside cut ability is really nice. He just needs to use it more.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:56 am to Hurricane2020
Last verified measurements per Embody for Cobbins…
6-2 201 lbs. 31.25 arms 8.25 hands.
Should get an updated weight from All-Star game.
6-2 201 lbs. 31.25 arms 8.25 hands.
Should get an updated weight from All-Star game.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:54 am to SoloTiger
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Last verified measurements per Embody for Cobbins…
6-2 201 lbs. 31.25 arms 8.25 hands.
Should get an updated weight from All-Star game.
Good to know. A rare compliment from me for 247...their physical stats not that far off. 247 has him 6-3 200.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:01 pm to king47
Based on his tape, he looks better than any LB we have on the roster, including Perkins. This kid appears to be able to drop back, read and react, which Perkins sometimes struggles with that part of his game.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 1:02 pm to SwampyWaters
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Based on his tape, he looks better than any LB we have on the roster, including Perkins. This kid appears to be able to drop back, read and react, which Perkins sometimes struggles with that part of his game
I'm a great believer in him, but that seems a bit much IMO. I did say he looks like a more physical player than Perkins. I think Perkins has a little bit more speed however. Keep in mind that HIGHlights are just that...some of Cobbins BEST plays you would hope. The screwups don't make the video.
Also, he is playing against HS players, NOT SEC caliber ones with the teams having more sophisticated, better executed offenses. Having said all that, he has one of the best set of "cherry-picked" HIGHlights I have seen for a defensive player. It displays quickness, speed, physical tackling which Perkins has never had, and enthusiasm for the game. He is WOEFULLY underrated...at least by 247 which apparently is bringing down his composite rating significantly.
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