re: What changed political views and the animosity of parties so much in 2000?

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In the big picture, Obama wasn't that big of a deal. Trump wasn't, either (although you'd never know it based on the Left's response).

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i rarely agree with you on most political issues, but i do on this.

Obama himself wasn't the problem. What it opened the doors to from the left was the real issue. And same for Trump mostly.

I didn't vote for him, but didn't think he was THAT bad and still don't during his presidency. he was a bad president, don't get me wrong, but his sycophants felt it was greenlight to go BSC on every perceived grievance.

regarding his second term and talking about racial grievance...

Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street were both pretty mad at the same thing from opposite sides of the political aisle. right around then 2012-2013, race, DEI, oppressors, Obgerfel, etc. rose to the top.

there's a meme i can't find where corporate overlords and government realize that both sides are against them, and say release the oppression narrative.

The digital age. Internet and media. The independent media has opened a lot of eyes to the level of corruption and deception DC pushes on us, we no longer have to depend only what a handful of MSM outlets report(which is whatever big money desires).

Also, the insane dive off the cliff the left has taken with all this trans/woke/CRT shite and trying to force feed it to the majority.

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Animosity started when they started openly calling people on the right bad people - See deplorables etc .

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This. And it did start with Bush - calling him a Nazi, hanging Bush dolls in nooses, etc.

Liberals will say it was a response to the Clinton impeachment though. But even if nothing was REALLY bad, it kind of set the stage for more divisive rhetoric...


And Obama threw napalm on that fire.

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Ever since Bush, it's been a cycle of the same memes rotating from each perceived in group to the next. 2008 was when the DEMs re-took the Presidency, so you had all the irrationality of the GWB hate flip to "conservatives" fixated on Obama. That flipped again after 2016, and then again after 2020.

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i mostly agree with you here, but the difference is, in my opinion (and i am aware that i have a clear side in this and am not objective...but then again none of us is), that what the Left accuses the Right of being is absolutely batshit insane (literally Hitler, gays in concentration camps, blacks back in chains). for the MOST part, what the Right accuses the Left of is pretty much accurate (albeit a little screechy and a little sky-is-fallingish). i mean how much of the COVID stuff that the Right accused the Left of early on ended up being pretty much right? a LOT of it. but if you said that then, you were accused of literally wanting people to die in the streets. that is not hyperbole.

so anyways, i think i mostly agree with you, but i dont think there is a completely valid centrist "both sides are just as bad" argument here. i DO think the conservatives misjudged the Bill Clinton impeachment stuff back in the 90s, which certainly poured gas on the fire, but i agree with you that the mid nineties conservative takeover of congress was probably the true igniter of the modern day vitriol.

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so anyways, i think i mostly agree with you, but i dont think there is a completely valid centrist "both sides are just as bad" argument here. i DO think the conservatives misjudged the Bill Clinton impeachment stuff back in the 90s,

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i think it was severely misjudged... but... but... if i slept with a bunch of women while in a position of power and then lied to a jury, congress, and the American people about banging an intern in the Oval Office, we all would be serving time.

he did it, as ridiculously inconsequential as the action itself was, and then lied under oath.

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The internet is full of unsourced and unreliable nonsense. At least with traditional media, we aren’t dealing with anonymity.

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with traditional media we are still dealing with unsourced and unreliable nonsense, so who cares if they are anonymous or not? they are immune to any repercussions, so it's functionally the same as the internet.

The political Left is revolutionary . They became post constitutional slowly- over a century- but fully embraced it post 2008. They seek - quite literally- to replace all of our most cherished American traditions, principles, ideals and Institutions. They are - not hyperbole- Soviet in temperament and fully committed to destroying Constitutionalists/traditionalists/Conservatives specifically and our culture in general. They safeguard nothing and seek only to destroy and replace. It’s truly sad to watch the white women line up to vote for the death of their own culture and not even know it.

Haven't even read the thread yet but it's simply Obama. The freaks that had him as president for almost 10 years of their young-young adult life are now in academia and other institutions turning this generations young people into radical psychos like them. A charismatic man who wants to destroy something is as dangerous as it gets and now we're watching it

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what the Left accuses the Right of being is absolutely batshit insane

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Perhaps I should introduce you to the birther movement and the "Obama is really a secret Muslim supporting radical extremists" rhetoric

I mean I think Biden is part of a family of grifters and bribe takers and all of that, but you have a large population who literally believes he's part of a Satanic child raping ring, along with lots of other Democrat leaders.

The insane framing is not a one-way street.