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re: So basically, if RFK continues forward as an Independent he will ensure a Democrat..

Posted on 3/14/24 at 10:25 pm to
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/14/24 at 10:25 pm to
RFK will attract independents that voted for Biden in 2020, aka…. Buyers remorse.
Posted by Tall Tiger
Dixie
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Posted on 3/14/24 at 10:27 pm to
Last name: Kennedy.
Posted by Complete Linebacking
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 3/14/24 at 10:54 pm to
I voted for Trump 2x and plan on voting for him again, but I wouldn’t hate it if RFK was president. Dude makes a lot of sense on a lot of issues. He’s 1000x better than anyone in the current administration and he’d be a better senator than a great many republicans.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:24 pm to
What? Polling is all showing he draws 50/50 (almost exactly, but a tiny bit more from the dems) from both parties

Eta - his polling base is 54% dems, 46% rep
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 11:27 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68891 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:28 pm to
Why would trump supporters vote for rfk?

He’s going to get the people who thought they voted in the lesser evil with Biden.

Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3641 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:30 pm to
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Polling doesn't support this


Even without polling data, the OPs claim doesn’t make any sense. Those who voted for Trump in 2020 will vote for him again. Never Trumper republicans might vote for RFK, but they didn’t vote Trump in 2020 any ways. He isn’t going to get fewer votes. Some people who voted for Biden in 2020, but are getting crushed by Bidenomics, will vote for Trump. The rest of those Dems who are dissatisfied with the Biden presidency are likely to vote RFK. Biden will get fewer votes. Unless the dems find even more blank ballots to fill out…
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68891 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:31 pm to
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So, if for instance I hated Trump(Lots out there)


They didn’t vote trump.

So they either voted Biden or didn’t vote.

How does voting rfk then hurt trump?

Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66471 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:33 pm to
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Those who voted for Trump in 2020 will vote for him again.


I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 and will vote for RFK Jr this go around.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68891 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:37 pm to
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I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 and will vote for RFK Jr this go around.


Well I hope not a lot of you out there.

No offense, If trump was removed or some shite and people didn’t start blowing shite up, I’d vote rfk.

But more in protest

Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:41 pm to
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voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 and will vote for RFK Jr this go around
I'm far from the Trump sycophant, but I just can't find the rationale in this.

Especially when you get down to the fact that you're really just giving a half vote to Biden...after the past 4 years, nah
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6544 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:54 pm to
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currently committed to Trump is changing their minds


You're in GA. What was the margin again in 2020, if you removed the (L) vote? It's enough to swing states.

And women, if not barely on the fence, are a solid majority in the never Trump camp, nationwide.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66471 posts
Posted on 3/14/24 at 11:56 pm to
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I'm far from the Trump sycophant, but I just can't find the rationale in this.


I obviously like Trump as I voted for him the past two times and he’s a hell of a lot better than Biden but -

RFK Jr is the only one that talks about Blackrock, State Street and Vangurd which I think are fundamentally ruining our country. He’s the only one addressing the housing crisis and war on the middle class.

There’s plenty more but that’s just one example.

Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6544 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 12:46 am to
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RFK Jr is the only one that talks about Blackrock, State Street and Vangurd


Their boards control how they choose to invest. The US government should not be involved in that, it's a shareholder decision. Is there plenty of incest between the investment banks and Congress, sure. But shareholders, often the same companies you mentioned, have majority shares to control those boards. Presidents don't have any direct influence over that, nor should they.

The executive can't fix that, only Congress can. The president is only a veto risk. As a reminder, Congress writes and passes laws. The Executive (President) is the last step in the process to sign or veto a proposed law. The *last* step. Well, according to the Supreme Law of the Land, anyway. Not according to judges that can't read English.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10151 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:33 am to
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There’s plenty more but that’s just one example.

The only thing I need to know is he's a democrat. Calling himself an independent doesn't change that. He's way to the right of the loonies out there but still a democrat.
Posted by Armymann50
Playing with my
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:40 am to
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if, we can keep the vote clean



you people still think your vote counts
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39617 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:44 am to
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You truly think actual votes matter come November?


Trump does, otherwise why is he running?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39617 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:46 am to
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It would certainly make dominions heads explode trying to do a algorithm on a three way race ??

That’s a very simple algorithm. Any programmer could write it in five minutes.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
2594 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:51 am to
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You're in GA. What was the margin again in 2020, if you removed the (L) vote? It's enough to swing states. And women, if not barely on the fence, are a solid majority in the never Trump camp, nationwide.


What does this have to do with current Trump voters changing their minds in 24?


Even if this is the case I have no doubt he will take voters away from Biden this year.

The future is so bleak. Least optimistic I’ve ever been and talking to people around me they seem the same.

I would guess that probably 60% of our black employees are voting for Trump. That’s the percentage who are vocal about it in our conversations.

Small sample size I know, but nearly all of those were Biden voters in 2020.

Hell I didn’t vote for Trump in 2020. I didn’t vote for Biden either. I voted libertarian. I’m considering voting for Trump simply because I’ve never been this pessimistic about the future and the LP has no shot at winning. And honestly I have a feeling it’s going to be Chase Oliver as the LP nominee. Nice guy and he ran a hell of a race for senate, but he’s not my type of libertarian.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10981 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:55 am to
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Polling doesn't support this


Maybe not the right thread for this but I’ll go anyway.

Polling has gotten more and more suspect. It’s getting harder every year to reach a truly representative sample. Many polls incentivize participation, leading to fraud and bots taking polls. For those that don’t incentivize, it tends to skew too old and to certain other demos.

The solution to the latter from pollsters is to weight the polling data, which introduces its own statistical issues.

We’ve seen the effects of these issues become more pronounced in recent election cycles.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25339 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 5:59 am to
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