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re: Judge appointed by O'Bama rules illegals can legally carry firearms and ammo

Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7599 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:56 pm to
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So people traveling here for vacation have all the rights of US citizens?


some of them, yes. but not all of them.

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What is the alternative?


people traveling here (legally) already have to follow different laws.

for example, people traveling from Europe to let's just say Florida.
they have to obtain a tourist visa, or a waiver.
they have to pay a fee
they are limited to the amount of time on the visa (or waiver)
and they can be denied entry.

I don't have to obtain anything. I can just go.
and I can stay however long I want.
and I don't have to pay any extra fees. just whatever it costs me to get there.


Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18308 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 4:30 pm to
US Veterans are in the back of the line behind 40 million illegal aliens that invaded this
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 5:28 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68926 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 4:58 pm to
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the Constitution applies to all people in America, not just citizens
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Stupidest shite I’ve seen in a while


it does though.

If you are an immigrant, you still get due process. bill of rights does not say, citizen, at least I don't think it does.



The voting part does specifically spell out citizens though. An there is a law they can not vote in federal elections.

It was originally men that are citizens, The 15th was you cant discriminate on race, so black men can vote, then the 19th cant discriminate against sex.





This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
457 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:09 pm to
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Maybe we should give them all a couple of ARs with 10,000 rounds each (including the mentally ill) and turn them loose to fix the problem.

No but they have the God given right to buy an AR and so do vets.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63214 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:10 pm to
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To join the U.S. military, non-citizens must be living permanently and legally in the United States


Muh militia
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4912 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:16 pm to
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If you are an immigrant, you still get due process.


Unlawfully entering the country is not immigration. They should be arrested and deported. The idea that they should be given the same protections as legal immigrants is preposterous.

This is a slippery slope that will only serve to reduce the meaning and value of citizenship. The US will not last long under a system of law that is not built on principle.
Posted by Mizzou68
Member since Nov 2013
135 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:23 pm to
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Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15780 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:24 pm to
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“Lifetime disarmament of an individual based on alienage or nationality alone does not have roots in the history and tradition of the United States,” Mr. Carbajal-Flores’s lawyers argued.


So if I emigrate to another country and come back to the U.S., they can’t deny my right to a firearm? Nice.
Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
457 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:27 pm to
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The US will not last long under a system of law that is not built on principle.

Amazing. The principle is that the right to defend yourself is a God given right. It's in the Declaration of Independence. It's the principle that we were founded on.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261578 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:30 pm to
I dont think you should need background checks. Should be able to purchase a firearm like I purchase any tool.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4912 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:59 pm to
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Amazing. The principle is that the right to defend yourself is a God given right. It's in the Declaration of Independence. It's the principle that we were founded on.



And I defend their right to self-defense in their own country. They have no business being here. Their very presence is illegal. This is the root of the issue. Making them de facto citizens is insane.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423383 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:45 pm to
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Making them de facto citizens is insane.


Insane and not occuring
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4912 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:54 pm to
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Insane and not occuring



That's the whole point of the thread. It is occurring.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423383 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:59 pm to
Only if you assume that the Constitution only speaks to citizens, which is incorrect.

When you realize the Constitution has always given rights to non-citizens within our borders, it becomes a celebratory ruling for 2A defenders.

frick the gun grabbers. SHALL NOT.
Posted by grey
Member since Aug 2015
3346 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:02 pm to
Libertarians are such losers lmao

The OG libtards

This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 7:03 pm
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63214 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:04 pm to
This ruling kills the argument that the second was only meant for militias, right? To the people who argued that seriously, this is seems like a big blow.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423383 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:06 pm to
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This ruling kills the argument that the second was only meant for militias, right?

I think a better way to describe it is a white flag.

But, as I said in the first thread on this, I think liberal judges are just going to do these rulings to troll Patriots and have them make hypocritical, libtard arguments
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63214 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:08 pm to
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I think liberal judges are just going to do these rulings to troll Patriots and have them make hypocritical, libtard arguments


I'll take hypocritical rhetoric from message boards and pundits in exchange for good precedent, so I guess I hope the robed activists troll on.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4912 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:23 pm to
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Only if you assume that the Constitution only speaks to citizens, which is incorrect.



It shouldn't need to be said why allowing non-citizens that have entered the US unlawfully, be allowed the right to carry firearms is a bad idea.

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When you realize the Constitution has always given rights to non-citizens within our borders, it becomes a celebratory ruling for 2A defenders.


Again. This isn't simply about non-citizens, but illegal aliens. You're absolutely mad if you think this is a "win" for Constitutional defenders.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423383 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:26 pm to
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This isn't simply about non-citizens, but illegal aliens. Y

It makes no difference.

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You're absolutely mad if you think this is a "win" for Constitutional defenders.

Can you cite any text to support your arguments?

Or are you going to make "living document" arguments like earlier in this discussion?
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