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re: Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed - container ship wrecked into it
Posted on 3/27/24 at 4:40 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Posted on 3/27/24 at 4:40 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Wind?? A ship like that without propulsion is going to be extremely susceptible to wind
The Black smoke was almost horizontal, strong wind.
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 4:43 pm to Obtuse1
SIAP
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Ship had had mechanics working on it because IN PORT it had total power loss several times. Reason? The refrigerated cargo units had something to do with the power loss.
When asked if the problem was solved in port, the person interviewed said she didn't know the answer.
A couple more bodies were recovered, whether they were Honduran or Mexican wasn't announced
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Ship had had mechanics working on it because IN PORT it had total power loss several times. Reason? The refrigerated cargo units had something to do with the power loss.
When asked if the problem was solved in port, the person interviewed said she didn't know the answer.
A couple more bodies were recovered, whether they were Honduran or Mexican wasn't announced
Posted on 3/27/24 at 4:44 pm to Obtuse1
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Baltimore dispatch recordings have been released
The southbound side trooper is a lucky MFer. He was going to ride up and get the construction crew off the bridge when another unit arrived to hold traffic.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 4:45 pm to Saintsisit
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The Black smoke was almost horizontal, strong wind.
wow you cracked the case!
Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:27 pm to hubertcumberdale
Here is a link to marinetraffic.com I set the link to take you right to the Dali. You can zoom out and see all the vessels stuck in the harbor and go down the river to the two big anchorages to see the ones waiting to get in.
Cool site in general if you want to poke around marine traffic on the Mississippi or anywhere in the world.
Marinetraffic
Cool site in general if you want to poke around marine traffic on the Mississippi or anywhere in the world.
Marinetraffic
Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:38 pm to hubertcumberdale
I mean I responded to a post asking about the wind, that's amazing that you already knew, didn't seem that he did.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:47 pm to Sao
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Now do Puerto Rico, just for a comparison...
The corrupt leaders in PR with Ds next to their name hoarded all the supplies. They’re still finding untouched pallets of water in PR.
quote:
The head of Puerto Rico's emergency management office was fired Saturday by the island's governor after unused emergency aid supplies were found in a warehouse. The warehouse was located in the city of Ponce, a part of the island badly damaged by earthquakes in recent weeks.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:18 pm to 0x15E
When I worked in Avondale, the Huey P Long bridge was my way to go home. I never felt unsafe on that bridge. I was stuck in traffic that barely moved when I was going home. The only thing that I didn't like about that bridge was numerous times I would be stuck in traffic on that bridge and a train was moving along and you would sit in the traffic and the bridge would shake when the train crossed it.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:26 pm to baldona
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also possible the main shut down and never restarted
Not likely. All the black smoke was most likely going full back on the main engine. It could have possibly been the generators coming back online but they generally don't smoke THAT much. The speed reduction also indicates that the main engine was likely reversed before the hit. The anchor went down as well but I doubt that did anything.
My guess is that they went blackship, the emergency gen kicked on, capt thought he could steer out of it, went black again, crash stop anchor down just to lessen the blow.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:36 pm to real turf fan
Do any of you remember when the CCC was struck by a barge or a ship in the early 90's? I heard that a car fell off the bridge and landed in the Mississippi River. I was on my way home when I heard about the bridge being hit and a car going in the river. The young lady that drove the car that went in the river had the same first and last name of a young lady that I knew that lived in Donaldsonville. In my mind the chances of that being the lady that I knew was slim. The next morning I was reading the newspaper and when I read about the bridge accident, it was the young lady that I knew. Her first name was Cynthia and she always had a smile on her face. She played sports while in high school.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:45 pm to real turf fan
It's not uncommon to have stuff crap out. It just generally happens either moored up or in open seas, because that's where those ships spend their lives.
What happened to this shite is every single maritime shipping associated person's worst nightmare. Losing power or steering approaching a bridge is as bad as it can get. Headed down river makes it sooooo much worse. You have to have speed through the water to steer.
What happened to this shite is every single maritime shipping associated person's worst nightmare. Losing power or steering approaching a bridge is as bad as it can get. Headed down river makes it sooooo much worse. You have to have speed through the water to steer.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:50 pm to HeadSlash
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Shipping company didn't have insurance? Or frick the American taxpayers?
20 upvotes and 1 downvote
Y’all are dense. Would you rather sit around and wait for the investigation to conclude and money to be paid out before working to clear and rebuild the bridge?
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:51 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Two Of The Fastest U.S. Sealift Ships Trapped By Baltimore Bridge Collapse
Two of the most capable military cargo ships in U.S. inventory are among the vessels now stuck in Baltimore following the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge yesterday. The two members of the Algol class, which are also some of the fastest cargo vessels of their general size anywhere in the world, and two other reserve sealift ships were in port in Baltimore when the incident occurred.
TWZ
Two of the most capable military cargo ships in U.S. inventory are among the vessels now stuck in Baltimore following the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge yesterday. The two members of the Algol class, which are also some of the fastest cargo vessels of their general size anywhere in the world, and two other reserve sealift ships were in port in Baltimore when the incident occurred.
TWZ
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:04 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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My guess is that they went blackship, the emergency gen kicked on, capt thought he could steer out of it, went black again, crash stop anchor down just to lessen the blow.
I would love (but it won't happen) an in-depth interview of the 2 Baltimore harbor pilots onboard at the time. Their unvarnished story would answer a lot of our questions.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:05 pm to Shameless
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Y’all are dense. Would you rather sit around and wait for the investigation to conclude and money to be paid out before working to clear and rebuild the bridge?
Not going to be much money paid out, maritime law limits the liability amount to no more than the value of the ship at fault….. basically the owner of the ship will hand over the deed and move on, US taxpayers on the hook for everything else
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:10 pm to CatfishJohn
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How long does it take recover the bodies of victims and then put enough explosives on the wreckage to make it sink in tiny pieces?
Ask the family of the construction worker at the hard rock hotel in New Orleans
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:32 pm to Tigerpaw123
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Not going to be much money paid out, maritime law limits the liability amount to no more than the value of the ship at fault….. basically the owner of the ship will hand over the deed and move on, US taxpayers on the hook for everything else
Maybe not. The Limitation of Liability Act of 1851 AKA 46 USC § 30501 does limit liability to the value of the ship however things like previous knowledge of a mechanical issue that is a causative factor in the incident will remove that liability shield. There were reports of an interview with a harbor maintenance worker that said MV Dali had electrical issues caused by the refrigerated reefers onboard while moored that were being addressed. If substantiated this might be enough to get past Section 30501. I should point out that admiralty law is not in my wheelhouse (
) so I can't cite chapter and verse in case law but I am willing to bet this incident results in lengthy complex litigation. A couple of admiralty firms are going to see some really fat increases in profit per equity partner and resulting bonuses for years to come. Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:32 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Not likely. All the black smoke was most likely going full back on the main engine. It could have possibly been the generators coming back online but they generally don't smoke THAT much. The speed reduction also indicates that the main engine was likely reversed before the hit. The anchor went down as well but I doubt that did anything. My guess is that they went blackship, the emergency gen kicked on, capt thought he could steer out of it, went black again, crash stop anchor down just to lessen the blow.
10000 up votes
Thats exactly what happened
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:38 pm to tgrbaitn08
Word
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:51 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Not likely. All the black smoke was most likely going full back on the main engine. It could have possibly been the generators coming back online but they generally don't smoke THAT much. The speed reduction also indicates that the main engine was likely reversed before the hit. The anchor went down as well but I doubt that did anything.
At this point no one knows that I’ve seen?. I’d agree with you certainly and don’t have evidence not to. But the one thing we all know, is that the black smoke is almost perfectly in sequence with the lights on and off.
There maybe a better reason, but if the ship was veering starboard with forward thrust, why not reverse thrust immediately to pull it back to port? Im not suggesting the ship actually would reverse, I’m saying the screw reversing direction would generally steer the ship the other direction.
Neither of those two appeared to happen in the videos.
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