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Legal advice - 403(b) plan

Posted on 3/28/24 at 3:32 pm
Posted by CajunInFL
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2007
1959 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 3:32 pm
My father who passed away last year had a small 403(b) plan with Lincoln Financial Group and only listed my mother as the beneficiary. We have an order from the court of possession of said assets, but LFG is going by the plan documents which states the balance is to go to his estate.

We did not create an estate for my father's assets. My sister was listed as executor in his will.

My question is should the court order trump the plan documents? Or do the plan documents prevail?

We are having a hard time opening an estate account for my father since he has passed away.

TIA.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4129 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

We are having a hard time opening an estate account for my father since he has passed away.


First, I’m sorry for your loss. I lost my mom a couple of months ago too.

As to the above, you open an estate account upon/after the death of the person. As executrix, your sister would do this.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15158 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

We are having a hard time opening an estate account for my father since he has passed away.


It only takes a few minutes to apply for an estate tax ID # online. Take that to the bank & open account.

Thats probably quicker than going round and round with a financial institution. I had problems w Thrift Savings Plan dealing w my sisters estate. They took about 8 months of going back and forth to get the money transferred to named benificiaries
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37162 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 5:16 pm to
quote:

My father who passed away last year had a small 403(b) plan with Lincoln Financial Group and only listed my mother as the beneficiary. We have an order from the court of possession of said assets, but LFG is going by the plan documents which states the balance is to go to his estate.


LFG is 10,000 percent correct here.

First, you said your mother was the beneficiary. Did your mother predecease your father? If not, then the money should go your mother, end of story.

If your mother predeceased your father, and there was no contingent beneficiary stated, then there is a "default beneficiary" which is listed in the plan documents. In almost all cases, that is the estate.

quote:

We did not create an estate for my father's assets. My sister was listed as executor in his will.


One does not "create" an estate. An estate is created upon death, if there are any assets that need to pass through probate. Perhaps you have not filed documents recognizing that estate with the government.

quote:

We are having a hard time opening an estate account for my father since he has passed away.


An estate isn't created until passing, so your father could not have done anything while still alive. Your sister, the executor, needs to go get an EIN from the IRS (this is free and online) then take that along with the will establishing her as executor, then go to LFG with that.

LFG *may* allow the executrix (your sister) to take a distribution right out and distribute it directly to the estate beneficiary. It may be easier if the amount is small to just cash it out.

Note... the estate will need to file a "first and final" income tax return if you do this.

To everyone else... please make sure your beneficiary designations on retirement plans are up to date.

Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42551 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 6:33 pm to
How much is in the account? And which state?
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
1639 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 7:52 am to
Couple of questions.
-Is mom still alive?
-was the account PoD (Pay on Death)?

If yes to the above, there should be no need for an estate (may not even need it for the 2nd item). The 403b should simply rollover to mom as his spouse.
If she has already passed, the LFG is correct. In this case you’ll need to go through the estate. This also has some different RMD requirements vs inheriting an IRA directly (5 year vs 10 year withdrawal).
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