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re: Fossils in Greece Suggest Human Ancestors Evolved in Europe, Not Africa
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:01 pm to mudshuvl05
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:01 pm to mudshuvl05
quote:Intermediary species is a nonsense term in the first place as it implies a beginning and an end to the evolutionary process. But if you believe in the concept, wtf is a sea lion?
"Straw Man: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument."
Explain how the fossil record being devoid of intermediary species, which should be ripe with them based on evolutionary theory and, even by Darwin himself, is admittedly devoid of them, is a "straw man."
Even though it is a point of contention with paleontologists and evolutionary biologists since the theory was proposed 160 years ago, even though it hasn't gotten any better (it's worsened, actually), tell us why that pitiful fossil record is, by your definition, a "straw man," and we will continue.
A flying squirrel?
WTF was a phiomicetus?
or this guy?
FFS, you don't even have to look to the fossil record.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 10:23 pm
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:22 pm to AbuTheMonkey
quote:Now you're pressed because your religion is being questioned. This is good.
Yes, they do, numbnuts.
quote:Sure there are, and they all are easily qualified in taxonomic order. There are explosions of new species, there are millions of years of species that disappear, then suddenly reappear in new, albeit similar lifeforms with ZERO transitional life forms known to science in between. This is common and expected. You gave an example of deuterostomes, that's great. Starfish are deuterostomes. That doesn't prove your assertion that there are endless examples of intermediary species in the fossil record. I googled it again to be sure: intermediary species in the fossil record is not looking good.
There is plentiful evidence of common ancestors all through both lineages in the fossil record.
You understand how wrong you are, right? You understand the acknowledgement that the fossil record of intermediary species is pitiful across the board? You're making a case for something that, as we know it, like aliens, doesn't exist in any quantifiable form?
quote:My boy, the fossil record is, literally and metaphorically speaking, set in stone. There are not, and likely will never be any mass uncovering of a smoking gun fossil record that shows a planetary-level of species building up and coinciding towards more advanced lifeforms. There are extinction events, reappearances of different but similar animals, and nothing in between. And to assert that we know how the genome sequence works from the beginning of life, all the way out to all of the branches of the tree of life like you've asserted is like your declaration that google will give endless examples of intermediary fossils in the record: laughable.
That you fail to understand that is how evolution works seems to more due to your simpleton understanding of "transition" species than it is a shortcoming of the fossil record.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:35 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:says who? You? So you're still making up your own rules, frick those paleontologists and the literal theory of evolution? You understand that you just created a straw man, right?
Intermediary species is a nonsense term in the first place
quote:
wtf is a sea lion
quote:
A flying squirrel
quote:it's a sea lion? Google images shows they're both in the family of Otariidae. What's your point?
or this guy
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:45 pm to mudshuvl05
quote:Why so hostile? Out of your box, perhaps?
says who? You? So you're still making up your own rules, frick those paleontologists and the literal theory of evolution?
quote:
What's your point?
So.... a half dog-half dolphin isn't transitional, a flying rat doesn't do it for you, actual fossil records of this thing don't count:
I'm sorry bro, but I'm going to need you to go ahead and actually define the characteristics I should be looking for in an intermediary species.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:03 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:absolutely not, brother. You're making a straw man that intermediary fossils is a "nonsense" term. Those poor evolutionary bilogists never knew what hit them when northshorebamaman came in with the hot takes.
Why so hostile? Out of your box, perhaps?
quote:but it's not a "half dog half dolphin," and there's no fossil record stating it. Your Google image is cute, but it doesn't make it so. A flying rat is a flying squirrel, and similar to a bat, but the fossil record is concrete in showing that there are animals with millions of years of existence who disappear, then reapper millions of years later in similar forms, but no fossil records in between of transitional species. Obviously a sea lion is not a bat like you asked before, and there's no fossil record indicating even an inkling of it happening.
half dog-half dolphin
quote:Who said that?
actual fossil records of this thing don't count
quote:Really? With Google right near you?
I'm sorry bro, but I'm going to need you to go ahead and actually define the characteristics I should be looking for in an intermediary species.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:15 pm to mudshuvl05
quote:
I'm sorry bro, but I'm going to need you to go ahead and actually define the characteristics I should be looking for in an intermediary species
I'm just going to keep asking the same question. The conversation can't continue unless I know your definition. Unless you would like me to find a definition that suits my argument and then assign it to you? Because if I provide my own definition your next step will just be claiming that I cherry picked it or you'll just attack the source while being as snide as possible.
So...I'm going to need you to go ahead and actually define the characteristics I should be looking for in an intermediary species.
Stop weaseling.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:20 pm to mudshuvl05
quote:
I need proof to claim that something that doesn't exist as far as we know it, doesn't exist?
Correct
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:37 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:you've only asked it once. It's not like you're hammering me with the same unattainable answer to your question. It's easy to find, but I'll quote Darwin's,
I'm just going to keep asking the same question.
quote:What a chickenshit way to weasel out of it. If he only knew today the fossil record was on even more shaky ground regarding his 160 year old presuppositions. There are still none that you, let alone paleontology, can supply. I had time before, but for you and your other upvoter, I got to get in the bed. Those twins aren't going to feed themselves in an hour.
How did Darwin explain how species evolve into different species when there are no intermediate forms for them to become one from another? Every species is an intermediate species. That means every species is somewhere on the way to evolving to a form that modern scientists classify as a ”new species”.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:47 pm to mudshuvl05
When you gain enough strength in your own convictions to come back and actually define the proof you're requiring others to provide you, come back here and post it and maybe I'll see it and we can continue our conversation.
You do see the problem with telling me to find the definition myself, at least? For that to work you'll either have to agree with me or tell me that it's wrong, in which case I'll have to ask for your definition again. And we're right back here.
You do see the problem with telling me to find the definition myself, at least? For that to work you'll either have to agree with me or tell me that it's wrong, in which case I'll have to ask for your definition again. And we're right back here.
quote:Darwin spoke in past-tense third-person? And did you even read it? According to that, literally every fossil ever found, was of an 'intermediate species' (which is ironically correct).
[quote ]you've only asked it once. It's not like you're hammering me with the same unattainable answer to your question. It's easy to find, but I'll quote Darwin's,[/quote ]
[quote]How did Darwin explain how species evolve into different species when there are no intermediate forms for them to become one from another? Every species is an intermediate species. That means every species is somewhere on the way to evolving to a form that modern scientists classify as a ”new species”.[/quote ]
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:16 am
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:20 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Who said I did?
The farcical graphic that you posted in response to my lack of a water cycle comment
quote:
Did a third grader come up with this?
I'm not sure why you consider researchers at Northwestern and Univ of New Mexico 'third graders', but I guess its because more and more research is destroying your evolution precepts. I understand that could be quite unsettling
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Please explain in detail how human beings used their legs to walk all the way from Africa to Patagonia to the Orkney isles to Svalbard.
The amount of land/ice sheets/etc to cross would have been beyond comprehension.
The first reports of solenopsis invicta (aka fire ants) in the US came in Mobile Alabama in the 1930s. Less than 100 years later, despite a massive push to eradicate them, red imported fire ants have spread to Arkansas, Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.
You really think humans couldn't have spread across the world from an initial main hub over thousands of years?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:53 am to Prodigal Son
quote:The accepted definition. Yes, we evolved from ape-like mammals.
Define evolution, please.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:58 am to northshorebamaman
Darwin was amazing, he realized that if the right two Amino acids were joined together, it would eventually produce a living cell. Then that cell would double, double again and again and again and in billions of years, living tissue would result. It simply boggles the mind that with all that effort and time, the end result would be Sheila Jackson Lee.
By the way, where did the Amino acids come from, asking for a friend.
Evolution proves that if you wait long enough, some of the dumbest phuckers on Earth will appear on this forum.
By the way, where did the Amino acids come from, asking for a friend.
Evolution proves that if you wait long enough, some of the dumbest phuckers on Earth will appear on this forum.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:16 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:
Agreed, and even science agrees that we all share a common ancestor.
Our "common ancestor" "Adam and Eve" lived thousands of years apart from each other.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:17 am to RockoRou
quote:
Darwin was amazing, he realized that if the right two Amino acids were joined together, it would eventually produce a living cell. Then that cell would double, double again and again and again and in billions of years, living tissue would result...
Evolution proves that if you wait long enough, some of the dumbest phuckers on Earth will appear on this forum.
Congrats on the self-fulfilling prophecy.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:20 am to mudshuvl05
quote:
No, of the billions of fossils in the fossils record, there are no definitive, chronological instances of a plant becoming an animal, a reptile becoming a mammal, or showing any proclivity to doing so. Do not confuse adapatations of a family, genus and/or species, with species evolving into an entirely different class, phylum and kingdom. Darwin's finches adapting their beaks to current conditions and them changing them back is an adaptation just the same as a black bear foregoing the beehive and heading for the trash dumpster. That's still not an example of jumping multiple levels on the taxonomy scale. It's the proclivity and evidences of signs that the "big jumps" happened that are missing.
No one would ever argue that there would be, because that is not how evolution works, at all
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:22 am to mudshuvl05
quote:
I know and understand evolution just fine.
You've been asking why there is no plant animal hybrid for several pages
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:24 am to Fun Bunch
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Our "common ancestor" "Adam and Eve" lived thousands of years apart from each other.
A pathological BS-artist. Now make-believe Bible Scholar and clown extraordinaire.
Atta boy!!
Counselor Bluto, kindly focus on subjects you actually know -- like hitting the tap directly / orally, falling down drunk in parking lots, and of course --your infamously boring and tired Trump-thread diss-pumping schtick.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:25 am to bad93ex
Science is never settled. That is how science works. It is based on new information that people gather which is always constant.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:26 am to Fun Bunch
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that is not how evolution works, at all
Why don't you tell the class how "evolution" works?
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