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re: Fossils in Greece Suggest Human Ancestors Evolved in Europe, Not Africa

Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:01 pm to
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quote:You talking about that imaginative artwork? we have found fossils of all those species


Partial fossils. One of them you posted which was supposedly some walking whale…we found a jaw bone and a couple of vertebrae. The rest is imagination..
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59085 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:05 pm to
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But I'm the simple minded idiot


Yes.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59085 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:08 pm to
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How so?


Because you have no interest in increasing the knowledge of our origins. And what's worse, is that you would (if you could) prevent others from doing so.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59085 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:10 pm to
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Partial fossils. One of them you posted which was supposedly some walking whale…we found a jaw bone and a couple of vertebrae. The rest is imagination..


Have you seen skeletons of modern whales?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:14 pm to
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Yes.


Back atcha, baw. I have no problem with those who believe in the Religion of Evolution. I do have a problem with those who knock Christianity for being based in faith and belief, when their own religion of man is based in the very same faith and belief, except their faith and belief is in the knowledge and wisdom of mankind. The same mankind that slaughters each other daily, shits in the streets, thinks islands can tip over, and the moon is mostly gas.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59085 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:16 pm to
The same mankind that invented religion.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22536 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:17 pm to
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Have you seen skeletons of modern whales?


I have.


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Partial fossils. One of them you posted which was supposedly some walking whale…we found a jaw bone and a couple of vertebrae. The rest is imagination..


Now explain how what I said isn’t still true?

Remember, dinosaurs had leathery skin..no wait they had feathers…imagination is a funny thing.

Imagination can have basis in science, doesn’t make it any less imaginary.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:18 pm to
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he same mankind that invented religion.


I'm with you on religion. Every religion is an invention of man, and therefore flawed and ultimately evil. But religion is not the same as a deep and abiding faith in God and His Son Jesus.
Posted by DakIsNoLB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
587 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:23 pm to
Decided to answer these. No real reason for it, so, by all means, ignore them.

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Yes, it does. I don’t deny that I am biased towards the existence of God, and the truth of Christianity. Because of that bias, I am compelled to contend for the faith that I truly believe saves the lost, and gives peace to all who find it.
What is your motivation biased towards? Can you honestly say that it has nothing to do with the implications of discovering that God does exist, and that Christianity is true? Can you honestly say that you are completely indifferent towards the claims of Christianity? That you have no internal desire for the Bible to be proven false?


Perhaps someone seeking understanding and knowledge apart from the Bible isn't a desire to prove it false.

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Then why are we teaching that Darwinian evolution is an undisputed fact?



I keep hearing this. I've been out of school a while, but it was called a theory then. Maybe that has changed.

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Maybe. But, this just kicks the can down the road a bit. Infinite regress is logically impossible, so those multiverses and bangs would still require a beginning- and an explanation thereof


The beginning is impossible to prove, so far.

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Where does information come from?



I'm sure it's just theorized at this point. Not impossible that they exist.

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Then why pretend to have all the answers? Why even teach the origin theories? (The answer is obvious, isn’t it?)



There's legitimate science behind it.

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I don’t think so. The fossil record shows fully formed “kinds” and no transitional fossils that don’t require giant imaginary leaps in logic.



Evolutionary theory does think so; therefore, the impasse in this thread.

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Why is it important? What practical benefit is gained from the idea that humans evolved from monkeys? What world of investigation has this knowledge opened up?



You don't think it's important; others do.

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Because materialism/naturalism dictates that all of our thoughts and emotions are merely chemical reactions that are exclusively the product of external stimuli.



I doubt that's a universally held opinion even amongst proponents of evolution.

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Why do we have laws? Prisons? Police officers? Courts? Do you honestly believe that we would all behave the same way without them?

I can’t help but notice that you neglected to comment on the results of widespread acceptance of evolutionary theory. I take it as those consequences are acceptable, as long as it frees you from the acknowledgment of your rebellion against your Creator.


Because humans are prone to do bad things to each other. Lots of people haven't chosen to treat others right because they are afraid of punishment. Belief in eternal damnation after death isn't required to act right in this life.

What are the consequences of evolutionary theory you are talking about?

Why is studying evolutionary theory rebellion against our Creator?

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Yet another intended consequence of the acceptance of evolutionary theory- “We’re no different than the other animals.” “Humans aren’t special.” This line of thinking, when coupled with the lack of fear of ultimate consequences- is exactly what empowers the worst behavior in people.


We are different than animals; pretty sure this is noting similarities between us and animals. Is it proof of common ancestry? Possibly. I don't think this was an attempt to debase humanity. I don't think we'd have the positive relationships we do have with some animals if we didn't have some similarities.

And which people are you talking about? All of them? Religious people have shown themselves capable of awful things too.



Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116322 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:49 pm to
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Go on…


It should tell you something that you believe that adapting or evolving thought processes based on constant testing and new data is bad, while never changing your opinion despite the data is good.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28712 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 3:57 pm to
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What is your motivation biased towards?
Truth.
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Can you honestly say that it has nothing to do with the implications of discovering that God does exist, and that Christianity is true? Can you honestly say that you are completely indifferent towards the claims of Christianity? That you have no internal desire for the Bible to be proven false?
Are you kidding? That would be the greatest discovery of all time.
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Then why are we teaching that Darwinian evolution is an undisputed fact?
The theory of evolution, as with all scientific theories, is not a "fact". Facts are facts. Theories are explanations for why and/or how the facts are facts. And to answer the question you meant to ask, the theory of evolution is undisputed because there are no competing theories. It sufficiently describes and explains the origin of species. Please note that the theory does not address abiogenesis.
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Maybe. But, this just kicks the can down the road a bit. Infinite regress is logically impossible, so those multiverses and bangs would still require a beginning- and an explanation thereof.

To support the theory of evolution? No, that is not necessary. If every theory had to describe the origin of the universe then we wouldn't have theories at all.
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Where does information come from?
I don't know. Maybe it always was? What does that matter here?
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Then why pretend to have all the answers?
We don't. But what you are attacking here is a really fricking good answer to a specific question. It's near the top of the most strongly-supported theories that we have.
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Why even teach the origin theories?
We teach the origin of species. AFAIK only religious institutions claim to have the answer to the origin of life. In actual education anything related to abiogenesis is a hypothesis.
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I don’t think so. The fossil record shows fully formed “kinds” and no transitional fossils that don’t require giant imaginary leaps in logic.
Every living thing is a "kind" of something. And guess what, every living thing is also a "transitional" organism.

What the hell is a platypus about?

Fossilization is an extremely rare event, and we are likely to find only examples of species that were so well-adapted to their environment that their population became very, very large.
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Why is it important? What practical benefit is gained from the idea that humans evolved from monkeys?
For one thing it's important to learn so that people stop saying that we "evolved from monkeys" or ask why there are still monkeys.
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What world of investigation has this knowledge opened up?
It is likely that Darwin's work accelerated the discovery of DNA by illustrating the need for it. And it is hard to overstate how important the study of DNA has been in the fields of biology and medicine.
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Because materialism/naturalism dictates that all of our thoughts and emotions are merely chemical reactions that are exclusively the product of external stimuli.
And what practical benefit do YOU gain by believing that your own free will is a gift from god rather than just a chemical illusion?
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Why do we have laws? Prisons? Police officers? Courts? Do you honestly believe that we would all behave the same way without them?
Do we still have criminals? Yes. Would there still be good people without laws? Yes. What point do you think you are making?
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I can’t help but notice that you neglected to comment on the results of widespread acceptance of evolutionary theory. I take it as those consequences are acceptable, as long as it frees you from the acknowledgment of your rebellion against your Creator.
Are you referring to this?
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The results are subjective truth, more genders than you can shake a stick at, a greatly diminished value of human life (your own and others)- from the womb to the tomb, and a level of greed, corruption, sexual immorality, and all other forms of sin that are rivaled only by the pre-flood days of Genesis.
I think we should save this for another thread, but I would absolutely LOVE to study crime rates, corruption, "immorality" and other rates of sin around the world and examine the correlation with theism.
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Yet another intended consequence of the acceptance of evolutionary theory- “We’re no different than the other animals.” “Humans aren’t special.” This line of thinking, when coupled with the lack of fear of ultimate consequences- is exactly what empowers the worst behavior in people.
Says who? You? Some of the most heinous shite in history was done in the name of god. If you need the fear of ultimate consequences in order to do right by your fellow man, that's on you bub. But by all means, do what you gotta do to refrain from murdering people.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40191 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 4:05 pm to
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Fossils in Greece Suggest Human Ancestors Evolved in Europe, Not Africa


The fossils are about to get cancelled.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28712 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 4:20 pm to
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Belief in multiple universes is fairytale magic at this point in our understanding. True or false?
False.
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If false, show me the evidence we have so far for that theory.
We have solid evidence that at least one universe exists.





What's funny? Or is it you just can't refute the logic?

If you show me one of something, it stands to reason that there could be more.

Is there a multiverse? I don't frickin' know. Maybe one day we can prove that there is or isn't, or maybe we will discover a process by which it could happen. Or maybe we'll never know.

Whatever the case, accepting the possibility that "there's more where that came from" is a far cry from believing in magic.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
482 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 4:32 pm to
Do you really think we are the same subspecies as them?
Posted by Prodigal Son
Member since May 2023
709 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 4:59 pm to
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Because you have no interest in increasing the knowledge of our origins. And what's worse, is that you would (if you could) prevent others from doing so.

That’s a nice strawman you’ve got there.

But, your statement actually accurately describes the sad state of the scientific community today- in the way that Team Darwin ruthlessly crushes any and all challenges to the theory of evolution.

No, my friend, I am not opposed to science. “God did it” is not a conclusion- it’s a hypothesis. I believe He wants us to know what He’s done by His Word, and figure out how He did it by using the intelligence He gave us.
Posted by bengalfan50
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
2468 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:04 pm to
Were created and placed in the Garden of Eden….
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59085 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:28 pm to
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That’s a nice strawman you’ve got there.


It's no straw man. You literally asked what use it served.

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But, your statement actually accurately describes the sad state of the scientific community today- in the way that Team Darwin ruthlessly crushes any and all challenges to the theory of evolution.



Eh. Do you really have any "challenges" to the theory?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13355 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:52 pm to
Eh. Do you really have any "challenges" to the theory?

Sure. Tell me how life spontaneously erupts from non living matter, and when this phenomena has been documented, tested, and recreated.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
1622 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:05 pm to
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Sure. Tell me how life spontaneously erupts from non living matter, and when this phenomena has been documented, tested, and recreated.


There’s never been a case where something non living produces something living. A lot of skeptics regarding abiogenesis
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59085 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:07 pm to
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Sure. Tell me how life spontaneously erupts from non living matter, and when this phenomena has been documented, tested, and recreated.


I love how you think you have something here.
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