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re: Win Friday, lose to OKC in 4-5 v Lose Friday, 14th pick.

Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
21193 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:40 pm to
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Provide the math showing how playoff basketball positively impacts a player developing at a higher rate and how that is more valuable than having a draft pick 7 slots higher.


No one has charted that information. But you already knew that. What I have shown is that there is minimal difference in the hit rate of the pick, and at bare minimum getting guys like murphy and Dyson and Herb playoff reps can't hurt. It's also not an absolute certainty that we'll lose to the Thunder either. They're a rolled sga ankle away from it being an interesting series too.

You would prefer to lose for no real gain, except for your next part

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is a much bigger benefit to this organization than to them missing the playoffs and putting pressure to making serious organizational changes.


Theres no way of you or I knowing what bar needs to be met for any change to be made. I can guarantee you Griffin will hang his hat on 49 wins regardless of if we win tomorrow or not. Willie is apparently already extended, and I doubt they remove Griffin, and you know that doesn't matter if we win tomorrow or not, and I'm not going to invent some hypothetical math bullshite like you to reinforce my point either.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71225 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:44 pm to
You guys can argue the merits and science of the situation all you want.

I'll simplify like this: Yeah, I care about the longterm future of the franchise, but at the end of the day, from my point of view, they exist strictly for my short term entertainment.

Outside of 2009 against Denver, I've been entertained by this franchise in the playoffs even when they lose in 5 or 6 in the first round.

I'd rather watch my team in the playoffs next week than have to find some other meaningless escape on those evenings.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23661 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:46 pm to
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It's also not an absolute certainty that we'll lose to the Thunder either.

you sound pretty confident... care to wager a bet?
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
9076 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 2:14 pm to
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They're a rolled sga ankle away from it being an interesting series too.


So you’re admitting this is not an even an interesting series unless their star player gets hurt and thats your best hope for this series to be even remotely competitive. So serious question then, because Zion is out, most of these guys will have added responsibilities and/or playing time- meaning they’re likely out of their roles. Its also likely we will get swept or a 5 game series- can you make a fair assessment of these players playing out of their roles without Zion then? Like for instance say Dyson or Trey look horrible in this series- is that a fair assessment since they’re completely out of their role and we’re missing Zion? What benefit has this playoff experience provided them?

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Theres no way of you or I knowing what bar needs to be met for any change to be made.


Agreed. But not making the playoffs puts added pressure to make changes than not. Even if they in the end dont.

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and I'm not going to invent some hypothetical math bullshite like you to reinforce my point either.


I think you have a sound argument. Im not trying to be an arse here. We just have different views on how to approach this. What irritates me is how my view is automatically seen as this horrendous view when its just the long term view. I understand your view, I just think in the long run it gives us no substantial benefit.

Organizations make this type of decisions all the time- yes I know different circumstances but the Mavs did this last year rather than get the 10 seed and they even had Luka and Kyrie healthy. Its paid dividends for them because of Lively. I know people will argue the details are substantially different. But its the same logic- giving up short term gain for long term growth in the organization. Just to be clear Im not asking or expecting Pels to lose this game. Im just saying what I think would be more beneficial for this organization moving forward.
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