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re: Tucker Carlson has divided conservative social media with his take on the atomic bomb
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:51 am to Liberator
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:51 am to Liberator
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Incinerating two cities worth of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese people
Imagine what a land invasion would have done.
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Imagine what a land invasion would have done
I'm not sure many people aren't arguing it wasn't a necessary evil to reduce further conflict.
But evil nonetheless.
We don't know if other displays of powers would or wouldn't work with less loss of life, but we know the 2d one did put an end to it.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:58 am to Liberator
quote:You're not into history are you. Here's a tiny hint: Okinawa (pop. 500K) saw 150K civilian deaths. i.e., Nearly 1/3rd of the population.
Incinerating two cities worth of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese people & cities was exactly how I'd describe "humane".
Japan's population was SEVENTY-ONE MILLION (71,000,000). Okinawa-level deaths, suicides, etc. would have resulted in 21,300,000 civilian deaths, as opposed to the 200K-300K killed in the ABomb blasts.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 10:58 am to IceTiger
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But evil nonetheless.
War is evil IMO. Doesnt matter if you win it with one bomb or thousands.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:00 am to Zephyrius
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Nagasaki was a weird target even if it was a secondary target. Nagasaki had the highest Catholic population in Japan and the largest POW camp.
Great points. You can't get through to these people. Nagasaki: Unique in that it boasted a large Christian-Catholic population. WHY NAGASAKI??
They (like the rest of us) had the following DRILLED into our young mushy skulls:
"DROPPING TWO ATOMIC BOMBS SAVED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN LIVES!!"
What no one else has ever addressed:
The US gubmint MIC was actually prepared to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of American troops -- in order to force Japan to surrender "un-conditionally"?? WHY??!?
And let's also not forget:
The US-MIC also FIRE BOMBING TOKYO AND SEVERAL JAPS CITIES into ashes.
Frankly, these so-called "leaders" were actually Sociopaths. The very SAME sociopaths remain in charge in 2024. (somebody, ANY body here prove me wrong)
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:06 am to Figgy
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The alternative was far far worse.
The fire bombing raids were just as bad and there were many of them, but they didn't move the needle to Japan's surrender. Some of the Japanese generals still had to be forced to surrender by the Emperor.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:08 am to NC_Tigah
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You're not into history are you.
Stop it.
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Here's a tiny hint: Okinawa (pop. 500K) saw 150K civilian deaths. i.e., Nearly 1/3rd of the population.
Yeaaaah??? AND....???
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Japan's population was SEVENTY-ONE MILLION (71,000,000). Okinawa-level deaths, suicides, etc. would have resulted in 21,300,000 civilian deaths, as opposed to the 200K-300K killed in the ABomb blasts.
Wait a minute; WHOSE "analyses" are those "21,300,000" figures?? Might they be self-serving for political and PR purposes and propaganda?
Seems like someone at the MIC pulled those outta their murderous, profiteering azz. Patently UN-PROVABLE.
Here's the problem with "History", NC:
The VICTORS have written it for 5,000 years.
The US overlords were already infested and controlled from within by Globalists, Communists and their Puppet-masters --- Financiers and Big Corporations (same as now).
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Imagine what a land invasion would have done.
Take me through your main points...
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:09 am to Liberator
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We have clearly been lied to for decades if not longer by a Global Cabal of Shadow Overlords and profiteering, cigar-puffing MIC ghouls who have demonized (and mass-murdered) an innocent citizenry...
Lied to about what exactly? You believe a ground invasion by the US, and the potential arrival of the Soviets from the north wouldn't have been as bad as the bombs?
Admiral Onishi said that 20 million may have to be sacrificed for Japan to win. That estimate was from Japan's Vice Chief of the Navy, not "MIC ghouls".
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:23 am to nvasil1
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Lied to about what exactly?
Exactly EVERYTHING. WW2: Soup to Nuts. (HINT: The whole sordid script and application all begins in 1913).
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You believe a ground invasion by the US, and the potential arrival of the Soviets from the north wouldn't have been as bad as the bombs?
I question the premises of both presumption and necessity.
Why was it absolutely necessary that Japan be invaded by US Troops? Why was it necessary to force Japan to "surrender un-conditionally" AND be occupied? Who really profited by either scenario?
IF the US goobermint was truly worried about a Soviet invasion and occupation of Japan, why did the US overlords completely underwrite, FINANCE and EQUIP the big bad Soviet war machine? This seemed like sloppy logistics and foresight...(OR was it pre-planned collusion and treason from within the Commie-infested State Dept?)
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Admiral Onishi said that 20 million may have to be sacrificed for Japan to win. That estimate was from Japan's Vice Chief of the Navy, not "MIC ghouls".
So ONE Japanese Admiral speculated on his own estimate. So THAT makes his claim as well as the US State Dept/ MIC claims irrefutably true and factual?
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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War is evil IMO. Doesnt matter if you win it with one bomb or thousands.
Pretty close to what Tucker said. Not sure you are in disagreement with him.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:29 am to Adam Banks
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My grandfather would kick your arse for saying this.
i'd like to see you try it frickface cuck boy. Sonic? or would you prefer starbucks? LOL
so kamikazees were not brave? they had brass balls. especially the ones who fought til the end on many islands and never gave up.
because they were mean, nasty, merciless, torturous does not mean the above is not true.
now stfu clown and cry some more.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:33 am to IceTiger
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Pretty close to what Tucker said. Not sure you are in disagreement with him.
Because it is a perceived affront to their GOP indoctrination, thus a reflexive response. They haven't yet been through the crucible to free themselves from the control they're under, no different than the left and democrats, just a different team name. Harbor no ill will for them, just is what it is.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:35 am to NC_Tigah
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You're not into history are you. Here's a tiny hint: Okinawa (pop. 500K) saw 150K civilian deaths. i.e., Nearly 1/3rd of the population. Japan's population was SEVENTY-ONE MILLION (71,000,000). Okinawa-level deaths, suicides, etc. would have resulted in 21,300,000 civilian deaths, as opposed to the 200K-300K killed in the ABomb blasts.
I have images burned into my mind of people jumping to their deaths from the cliffs in Saipan. The average Japanese citizen had been so indoctrinated with anti-American propaganda that people were committing suicide rather than being rescued by the American military. The invasion of the home islands would’ve been the single worst thing to happen to the Japanese people. War is hell but the bombs saved millions of lives. As has been noted here in the past we are still using Purple Hearts to this day that were made in anticipation of an invasion. Our side knew what the cost would be and some of us definitely wouldn’t be here now had an invasion been carried out.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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War is evil IMO
Agreed. The best way to solve the problem of war is to prevent it. It can only be done through a strong benevolent force, which the U.S. is at its core the entity most capable of this. It is why there is virtue in American strength, economically, militarily, culturally - but this presupposes the leaders of America themselves are strong individuals that have ascended society and transcended to a higher form of leadership capability such that they cannot be compromised by negative forces.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:48 am to RollTide1987
War is hell. Technology has always advanced during war to kill more efficiently. The atomic weapons were part of that trend. We did what we had to do to win. I’d kill millions of Japanese to save 1 American.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:48 am to RollTide1987
I have to disagree with Tucker on this one. The bombs were a necessary evil that saved an untold number of lives.
If war is to be fought it should be fought to win, it shouldn’t be this politically correct BS. It’s unfortunate it it’s true.
If war is to be fought it should be fought to win, it shouldn’t be this politically correct BS. It’s unfortunate it it’s true.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 11:51 am to RustyDaDog
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The bombs were a necessary evil that saved an untold number of lives.
Tucker said it was evil...just like you; you don't actually disagree on the morality.
Maybe the "necessity" is in dispute, but your morality is not.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:15 pm to made4lsu
SMDH
Good Lord! Thanks -- I have never seen this map of 70+ Japanese cities Firebombed by cloud of B-29s dropping Incendiary (as ordered and deemed "necessary" by US-MIC Overlords).
tPTB were total merciless bastards, sadistic Sociopaths -- without even considering their totally unnecessary-for-kicks fire-bombing of Dresden and other German cities (and evil reasons for revenge-targeting that truly also boggle the mind).
Back to this map of fire-bombed Japan...
But...but... because hey STILL would not surrender un-conditionally AND its citizenry be occupied & completely humiliated, Truman (and the MIC) just had to drop their two Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to drive home the point.
The merciless, sadistic US-MIC Puppetmeister Regime position stated once again:
"Dear Japan Leaders:
"Since your offer of Conditional Surrender is NOT good enough for we, your new Overlord; nor is it humiliating enough; nor is it forcing you on your knees enough for our own perverse satisfaction, we shall now bomb you into the Stone Age...
And anyway, these two expensive Atomic Weapons might go to waste if we don't use 'em. We'll merely remind our citizens, "Hey -- be a shame to have to sacrifice another 500,000 young men invading Japan."
.............................................
Sorry gentlemen...
Given who was actually running the nation, its policies, propaganda, hypocrisy and profiteering (and motives) Especially IN RETROSPECT, especially given WHAT WE NOW KNOW:
Late 1800s US "Manifest Destiny" Piracy ---> Bankers Feral Reserve 1913 ---> WW1 ---> General Smedley Butler ---> Gold Confiscation ---> Depression ---> WW2 ---> Complicit Financing USSR War Machine ----> Cold War dupe ----> Korean War dupe ----> Vietnam War dupe 2024 is to remain blind, tone-deaf, and willfully dumb.
The Truth hurts sometimes. AND it's often embarrassing.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:16 pm to RollTide1987
Carlson was totally exposed during the Dominion vs Fox News lawsuit. He doesn't actually believe much of what he says. Its all for views.
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