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re: SCOTUS isn’t going to mess with immunity
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:32 pm to RollTide71
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:32 pm to RollTide71
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Clearly, but that someone is YOU.
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Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.
Clear separation between impeachment (the political remedy) and prosecution (the criminal remedy).
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:When the Supreme Court proves you wrong, you can come back here and apologize for having ump-teen doses of TDS.
Clear separation between impeachment
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
List all the presidents and judges that have been criminally prosecuted for doing what Trump has done. This has little to do with presidential immunity and everything to do with that
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Go back and read the section you quoted:
Clear separation between impeachment (the political remedy) and prosecution (the criminal remedy).
"but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law."
Trump was not convicted by the Senate. If he had been, he would have been removed from office.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.
This is saying if a President is impeached and removed from office the next step is for the DOJ to bring criminal charges. If the Senate acquits the President he is cleared of wrongdoing by Congress and the Executive Branch can't prosecute.
Congress can't bring criminal charges, only the Executive Branch can. But Congress can say the President is not guilty of any crime.
The short-sighted Democrats shot their wad bringing "Insurrection" into Trump's second impeachment. Trump was acquitted by Congress of any charges related to insurrection.
You chose to ignore the "but the party convicted" part.
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 4/25/24 at 3:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Call your shot on the ruling.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 3:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.
He would have to be impeached first.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 8:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.
After Congress convicts (removed from office via impeachment and senate convicts) then they can be indicted.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 12:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Jeez dude. Sometimes you just need to stop. HoW many times can you prove yourself wrong, by what you actually posted?
I mean, you posted it. And didnt even bother to read it
When was Trump convicted of an impeachable offense? And the Supremes are ruling on immunity. Not on whether he can now be held liable, AFTER he left office
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but the party convicted
I mean, you posted it. And didnt even bother to read it
When was Trump convicted of an impeachable offense? And the Supremes are ruling on immunity. Not on whether he can now be held liable, AFTER he left office
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
"Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.
Only if convicted through the impeachment process can the President be liable and subject to indictment, trial etc, note the utilization of the colon. If impeachment isn't a requisite, then how does one convicted of a crime, then get indicted and tried for the crime? Non-seqitor.
Only if convicted through the impeachment process can the President be liable and subject to indictment, trial etc, note the utilization of the colon. If impeachment isn't a requisite, then how does one convicted of a crime, then get indicted and tried for the crime? Non-seqitor.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Clear separation between impeachment (the political remedy) and prosecution (the criminal remedy).
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but the party convicted
I realize the consensus legal opinion matches what you are saying but the text is not nearly as clear as you pretend.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Clear separation between impeachment (the political remedy) and prosecution (the criminal remedy).
Correct. But, criminal prosecution can only proceed AFTER impeachment conviction.
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