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re: Would someone please explain the crimes Trump committed?

Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:48 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:48 am to
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He is in court in NY defending himself against allegedly falsifying financial records in order to commit a crime. So where is the crime?


Instead of paying his attorney (or women) directly with a set payment, he had his attorney make payments. Then the attorney sent invoices to Trump for random amounts as a retainer fee. This was all done to disguise the payments from the company to the women (for plausible deniability, presumably).

The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records, and the allegation is that the obfuscations I posted above was fraud, per the statute.
Posted by MightyYat
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:53 am to
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Instead of paying his attorney (or women) directly with a set payment, he had his attorney make payments. Then the attorney sent invoices to Trump for random amounts as a retainer fee. This was all done to disguise the payments from the company to the women (for plausible deniability, presumably).

The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records, and the allegation is that the obfuscations I posted above was fraud, per the statute.


Cool. Maybe that is what happened. Now PROVE Trump knew where the money was going.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:54 am to
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The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records, and the allegation is that the obfuscations I posted above was fraud, per the statute.


Does ny law not require an injured party? Is the claim he didn't pay proper taxes?

What would have been the pretext for the investigation that would have uncovered the business records errors.
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:58 am to
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Instead of paying his attorney (or women) directly with a set payment, he had his attorney make payments. Then the attorney sent invoices to Trump for random amounts as a retainer fee. This was all done to disguise the payments from the company to the women (for plausible deniability, presumably).


Didn’t Cohen surreptitiously record Trump regarding these payments and Trump said “make sure everything is on the up and up?” Where is the mens rea?
Posted by SoggyBottomBaw
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:01 am to
Justice Barrett pretty much destroyed any basis for states to ever bring cases like this against Executives and Dreebun conceded this.

The DOJ lost yesterday, big time...
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:05 am to
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Instead of paying his attorney (or women) directly with a set payment, he had his attorney make payments. Then the attorney sent invoices to Trump for random amounts as a retainer fee. This was all done to disguise the payments from the company to the women (for plausible deniability, presumably).
Where would that land on the seriousness of shite rich people pull in New York?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:12 am to
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The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records


In other words, Ill have a ham sammich please.

Its nonsense and every, I mean every legal expert says so. Bragg was the only one stupid enough to try it, well him and that other idiot in fulton county......Im sensing a pattern here......did they put you on retainer sfp? just kiddin.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:25 am to
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The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records, and the allegation is that the obfuscations I posted above was fraud, per the statute.

Some of the legal experts on the cable news keep stating that the prosecution failed to specify "an election crime or a valid theory of fraud."

What do they mean by this? Do you know which NY statute Bragg is prosecuting?

The quote cited is from Boston University law professor Jed Handelsman Shugerman.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:47 am to
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Instead of paying his attorney (or women) directly with a set payment, he had his attorney make payments. Then the attorney sent invoices to Trump for random amounts as a retainer fee. This was all done to disguise the payments from the company to the women (for plausible deniability, presumably).

The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records, and the allegation is that the obfuscations I posted above was fraud, per the statute.


all of which is not a crime, and you left out the statute of limitations has expired, and the DOJ chose not to charge. Remember these entries into accounting happened in 2017, now when was the election?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:47 am to
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The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records, and the allegation is that the obfuscations I posted above was fraud, per the statute.


Real estate value estimates are far too subjective for this application and every one knows it. Prosecute everyone who ever filled out a financial disclosure with a bank.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 12:35 pm to
100% wrong ....Not the way it's done ....
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 12:50 pm to
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The wacky NY records law has an expansive view of fraudulent business records, and the allegation is that the obfuscations I posted above was fraud, per the statute.


But aren't the charges misdemeanors unless they prove that he falsified records in order to commit a crime?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68930 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:13 pm to
Why are these trials going on simultaneously?


Even someone accused of a serial murder don’t have this happen.


Or a serial rapist like Weinstein.



This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 2:15 pm
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