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re: The goal of many Gen Z and millennial women is now to be a DINK—dual income and no kids
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:14 am to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:14 am to BluegrassBelle
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And I've known folks without children who were taken care of by friends and family on their deathbed.
Yep pawning their misery on others.
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
Having children was really the role God made me for. I reveled in it. But now they are adults and have little comparative use for me. Which means I did my job because they are equipped for life on planet earth.
As for the death bed meme, we ALL die just as we live, alone. We may be surrounded by more people or less people, we may feel loved or unloved, but we all die alone. Our journey belongs to us and no one else. The rest is a comforting illusion. .
As for the death bed meme, we ALL die just as we live, alone. We may be surrounded by more people or less people, we may feel loved or unloved, but we all die alone. Our journey belongs to us and no one else. The rest is a comforting illusion. .
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:20 am to Lsupimp
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And yet American women have never been less happier, less fulfilled, more lonely, more riddled with psychological issues, more depressed, etc than they are right now. Replacing loving and natural relationships with a “ I am woman hear me roar” box of empty platitudes, a team of therapists and 3 antidepressants is not really a good game plan for society or a woman’s sense of purpose.
They invented ludes for depressed housewives back in the 50s and 60s. Go watch Mad Men, all of the wives looked thrilled and fulfilled when their husbands were out drinking. Must’ve been great to be trapped in crappy marriages and told from a young age that you need to stay home raise kids and do nothing else. Im sure if they said they were unhappy their husbands would’ve been real sympathetic.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:26 am to grsharky
You can make feminist assertions and broad generalizations from pop culture all you want, but the social science doesn’t support it. Women are happier in loving relationships and with children. Women are genetically wired for it. Women aren’t genetically wired to find meaning in solo travel and cat herding and drinking a bottle of wine while watching Sex in the City alone every night. The “ I don’t need no man” mantra is a road to unhappiness.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:30 am to Lsupimp
That’s a pretty broad generalization. I know plenty of women with no kids who seem very fulfilled and happy and I know women with kids who’re miserable. Why can’t people just live their lives the way they see fit. We all have to live with our decisions, at the end of the day we all need to do what’s best for us. Some it’s kids and some it is not.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:30 am to Lsupimp
Weird flex since the thread is about DINKs
Meaning many of these women do want a partner in life….they just don’t want kids
Meaning many of these women do want a partner in life….they just don’t want kids
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:33 am to grsharky
Sure, the housewife ideal is dated. But the current model of working in the rat race and shunning traditional motherly roles that society is trying to impose isn't something to champion either.
As Pimp said, clinical depression and antidepressant drug use are at all time highs.
As with everything in life there can be a healthy balance. Women can work. Women can be mothers and take time away from work to do so. It's not an either/or scenario.
As Pimp said, clinical depression and antidepressant drug use are at all time highs.
As with everything in life there can be a healthy balance. Women can work. Women can be mothers and take time away from work to do so. It's not an either/or scenario.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:36 am to rintintin
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As Pimp said, clinical depression and antidepressant drug use are at all time highs.
Mental health is more out in the open now. Back then you didn’t talk about these things so therefore depression, etc just weren’t diagnosed period. Now more people seek help when they need to so of course it will seem like it’s more prevalent.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:40 am to lsunurse
quote:That is a dismissive explanation.
Mental health is more out in the open now. Back then you didn’t talk about these things so therefore depression, etc just weren’t diagnosed period. Now more people seek help when they need to so of course it will seem like it’s more prevalent.
The idea that it is more prevalent because it is easier to talk about is a minority portion of it.
Statistics do not bear out your viewpoint, especially in the young.
Your view that “mental illness is higher because people are more comfortable talking about it” is a huge problem.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 9:42 am
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:42 am to lsunurse
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Mental health is more out in the open now.
Particularly for blue haired, lib cat ladies
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:42 am to grsharky
It’s not a “ generalization “ it’s irrefutable social science based on raw data . That was the point.
And I totally agree single , childless people can be the exception to the rule and love wonderful blissful lives.And people with kids can be miserable trolls I’m just saying it’s not the blueprint we were wired for.
And I totally agree single , childless people can be the exception to the rule and love wonderful blissful lives.And people with kids can be miserable trolls I’m just saying it’s not the blueprint we were wired for.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:46 am to lsunurse
I was just responding to her comments about men and relationships. For me being a dink at 30 would feel empty. For you, maybe enthralling. That’s just the way it be. But as a societal concern, a cultural norm, we either have strong families or we live with all the horrific social pathologies that result from not having said strong families.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:48 am to Scruffy
I was meaning more in regards to women. Trying to say that women not having traditional 1950s lives doesn’t mean they are more miserable.
I’m not dismissing that mental health in general is a massive problem in this country and there is absolutely no easy solution.
As for the liberal women…again those women are likely more comfortable seeking mental health help than more conservative women, esp those conservative women that go to churches that frown upon medical assistance for mental health issues.
Men in general are horrible about being proactive for any health issues so not shocking they aren’t rushing to seek help with possible depression
I’m not dismissing that mental health in general is a massive problem in this country and there is absolutely no easy solution.
As for the liberal women…again those women are likely more comfortable seeking mental health help than more conservative women, esp those conservative women that go to churches that frown upon medical assistance for mental health issues.
Men in general are horrible about being proactive for any health issues so not shocking they aren’t rushing to seek help with possible depression
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:49 am to Lsupimp
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But as a societal concern, a cultural norm, we either have strong families or we live with all the horrific social pathologies that result from not having said strong families.
Almost all of the problems in society today are the result of the wrong people having too many children.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:53 am to Dawgfanman
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People overstate what this truly costs. Until they are much older kids eat very little, clothing them can easily be made very cheap. People simply don’t want to give up their 4 times a year vacations and new cars to have children. And that’s ok, but why act like you couldn’t cut back and afford it?
The median income is like $80k. I would commit suicide trying to raise 2 kids with that little money. Now stop and think and realize that over half the country has even less than that to work with.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:54 am to lsunurse
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Men in general are horrible about being proactive for any health issues so not shocking they aren’t rushing to seek help with possible depression
Which of course explains the much lower rate of mental health issues in conservative women as compared to liberal men.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:58 am to lsunurse
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As for the liberal women…again those women are likely more comfortable seeking mental health help than more conservative women, esp those conservative women that go to churches that frown upon medical assistance for mental health issues.
Again this is an absolutely contradictory to the social science. It’s not that religious women or conservative women don’t seek psychological help, it’s that they are measurably happier and more well adjusted than women who are liberal/ leftist/ progressive. Lefty women console themselves with the false notion that their conservative or traditional sisters are suffering as they do, but they just aren’t. You can’t organize around a philosophical viewpoint that values ingratitude, resentment , grievances, being your own personal Goddess, invalidation of what the sexes are literally hardwired for, etc and expect happiness, fulfillment and a sense of meaning. Humans find those thing is relationships and spiritual values , not the latest FB cause of the day. Which is what unwell women gravitate towards; bad rudderless ideas that lead nowhere. Modern Leftist notions of self and society that are a recipe for unhappiness.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:58 am to GRTiger
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As for the liberal women…again those women are likely more comfortable seeking mental health help than more conservative women, esp those conservative women that go to churches that frown upon medical assistance for mental health issues.
Men in general are horrible about being proactive for any health issues so not shocking they aren’t rushing to seek help with possible depression
Perhaps a certain type of person is more apt to blame their life ills on some kind of handicap. Or perhaps they truly are more unfulfilled in life.
It's a lazy and convenient argument to say that any uptick in mental illness is simply due them being more "open" to talking about it.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 5/4/24 at 10:00 am to The Third Leg
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The median income is like $80k. I would commit suicide trying to raise 2 kids with that little money.
National median incomes are pretty useless to this discussion. What it takes to raise a family in rural Arkansas is much different than suburban Austin Texas.
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Now stop and think and realize that over half the country has even less than that to work with.
And realize that many of them are raising children. Some not as well as others.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 10:13 am to Aspercel
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Wow. This is exceptionally cruel of you. This is a thread for people choosing not to have kids. You are very aware that nurse tried for years and can’t have kids.
Yeah the same person who wished death upon people who refused to take the vaccine.
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