re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun

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Also not reading the entire thread to see if it’s been mentioned, but anyone with a military background that wasn’t a POG, or anyone that has a police background will tell you that doorway is a fatal funnel.

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You don't need to be a meat-eating door kicker to know why he moved out of the doorway but doing so along with not identifying as police prevents the person from inside having any idea who is banging on the other side of the door.


I admit the police have a conundrum in that tactics designed to increase their safety also decrease the public's ability to quickly and accurately identify them. The significant increase in citizens exercising their 2A rights both at home and in public produces a significant increase in police encountering weapons. If police continue to set SOP in a way that their operations are increasingly mimicking MOUT missions we are going to continue to see this sort of outcome. This is going to continue to erode the public's confidence in the police. I know quite a few people who not long ago were solidly in the Back the Blue camp and are now leaning more toward playing NWA in their mental soundtrack.

For years the tactical trajectory of police SOP has made it less safe for law-abiding citizens in interactions with the police unless moderated it will result in a major pushback.

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Why would he stand in front of the door?

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Well, he did just that several times.

I thought she told him the apartment number?

Anywho…

I’m not sure what it is you think I’m arguing here. I was just pointing out for anyone who thinks the cop was doing something shady by banging on the door and stepping to the side, that it’s actually the correct thing to do.

I understand it’s common sense for a lot of people but this board is probably 70% retard. So I felt the need to point it out. Sorry for that.

Knock on door and stand to the side is correct.

Blasting a guy in his doorway just bc he has a firearm = not correct.

Like I said in other posts…it’s time to look at tactics and training and figure out how to keep cops safe during one of their most dangerous calls, while also protecting the public.

I like my chances of having the extra protection of wall studs, fire blocks, drywall, stucco, and anything else that could stop or slow a projectile down as opposed to a shitty metal apartment door. But that’s just me. You do you.

Not to mention once he is standing in the doorway and it’s open he has absolutely zero cover.

There is an argument to me made that had he still been to the side, there is a chance based on what his field of view was, that he doesn’t see the gun in the first place and this whole thing ends with everyone alive.

Then again your hardcore back the blue people will argue that could have gotten the cop killed. Like I said, time to have a serious talk about tactics and training.

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I like my chances of having the extra protection of wall studs, fire blocks, drywall, stucco, and anything else that could stop or slow a projectile down as opposed to a shitty metal apartment door. But that’s just me. You do you.

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Studs give you under 10% chance of deflecting a bullet at 16" oc. Fire blocking? Sure, if the cop is 8 foot tall or in the apartment next door. The lathe the extremely thin stucco layer goes over may put up the most resistance, and that metal is thinner than a shitty apartment door You obviously don't build, despite tossing out word salad of construction words.

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There is an argument to me made that had he still been to the side, there is a chance based on what his field of view was, that he doesn’t see the gun in the first place and this whole thing ends with everyone alive.

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No, the argument starts from moment 1 when the officer arrives. The woman he sent away from the scene was the lone "witness."

Officer: are they fighting
Witness: redacted audio, for some odd reason, followed by some hearsay about she says it happens frequently.

Then...

Officer: "which door"
Witness: "I'm not sure," then some story about hearing noise 2 fricking weeks ago and an admission she had no idea where the slap noise/arguing came from. Then came some bullshite about why she didn't call the cops that day.

Officer: again with the which door question
Witness: now magically knows it's 1401

That should send up a frick ton of red flags to everyone with a shred of critical thinking skills. Officer then sends away the "witness" who moments earlier had no idea which door,cto direct backup to him. Officer doesn't wait for backup, despite your claims of how dangerous the situation is, proceeds to engage someone in a highly suspicious manner, then kills them fractions of a second after they open their door. Not a single fricking thing about this event is good police work, outside of arriving post call. Straight downhill from that moment on.

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This guy doesn't know very many police officers.

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If just 5% for that model, we have a massive problem.

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It’s obvious you have never been shot at or even been close to a situation where bullets would be flying.

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I'm not so sure you have, either.

You speak like someone who LARPs about being military on gun forums.

I was just pointing that out. Carry on.

I mention it when it’s relevant. It’s not like I have it in my bio like some weirdo or something.

You are wearing a Gulf War Vet hat right now aren’t you…