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re: Imagine that! Yahoo calling out LSU & Kelly for saying he won’t buy players..

Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:28 am to
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:28 am to
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You got your Deion’s of the world that believe in paying for players & complete roster turnover & then you’ve got your Dabo’s & BK’s who are more focused on building a culture/winning program.
Deion is doing it out of necessity just like BK did it in Year 1.
Posted by CBP3110
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:30 am to
We’re buying highschool kids not average portal players
Posted by Geauxgurt
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:31 am to
Kelly had to say that because moronic LSU fans decided he wasn’t trying hard enough to get these mediocre DTs that were asking ridiculous amounts of money.

Fans are to blame for this more than anyone. They think coaches can just carte Blanche buy players but that is not how NIL works and LSU is still on shaky ground because of the previous stupidity with the violations.

These kids are pathetic to an extent and they have options if they just want to make money. Go to the freaking XFL, go to the DLeague, go to the minors.

They are part of the ruining of not just college football but all college athletics.

I would rather the NFL pay for its own damn minor league than put it on college sports. But idiot fans want to take the side of spoiled athletes getting $200,000+ scholarships while other kids are having to go into major debt to get an education. Cry me a river.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 11:33 am
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:39 am to
That's dramatic as hell
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:43 am to
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You got your Deion’s of the world that believe in paying for players

Every school is paying for players, including LSU. If you aren’t, you are going to be a failing program.
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you’ve got your Dabo’s & BK’s who are more focused on building a culture/winning program.

It’s not a good thing to be compared to Dabo at this point.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:57 am to
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Every school is paying for players


There’s a difference in paying players bc you’re allowed to & paying them to get/keep them as the highest bidder.

See Quency Wiggins & Lance Heard as recent examples.

See ya
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It’s not a good thing to be compared to Dabo at this point.



Still recruiting at a top 10 level. They open the season against UGA this year.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 12:18 pm
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:06 pm to
As they should. NIL is walking all over BK. Get with it or get out
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:24 pm to
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That statement is going to end up getting spread to recruits everywhere that LSU is "cheap"

So if a recruit has an NIL offer from LSU for $700,000 and he has heard that LSU is cheap how will that differ from a recruit who has a $700,000 NIL offer from LSU who has not heard LSU is cheap?
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:30 pm to
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So if a recruit has an NIL offer from LSU for $700,000 and he has heard that LSU is cheap how will that differ from a recruit who has a $700,000 NIL offer from LSU who has not heard LSU is cheap?




Yeah I don’t see how this hurts us. The money is what it is. In fact it makes us look better when we match other programs because the “cheap” program wants you so bad that they will match up to the big spenders
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Then he shouldn’t have said anything at all. No one forced him to say that. He should know that saying something like that is going to grab people’s attention. I don’t understand why some of y’all can’t just admit that it was a dumb thing to say.


Oh, shut the frick up. Are you like all the other sheep who just read that one sentence, but have zero context for it because you didn't listen to the complete answer? Or the entire interview? He made some really good points about locker room chemistry and what would it say to his bookend OTs who have been in the program developing, doing all the right things, will be going into their 3rd seasons of starting and being the pillars of the offensive line if not the entire offense. What does he tell Will Campbell, who a publication has as the #1 prospect for next year's draft if they brought in an above average DT from a much lesser conference and paid him twice as much as Will?

And BK clearly wasn't meaning we are not using NIL, that we're not paying guys at all. They're just not going to be stupid with it, and that will just be a piece of what they use to try to sell recruits to come to LSU. Do you want to come to LSU, get coached by the best coaches in America with incredible track records of developing guys into NFL players and high draft picks, have access to world-class facilities, strength and conditioning and nutrition programs, be part of a winning culture that puts on onus on developing players into leaders and good men who will make better husbands, fathers, and professionals in whatever field they want to pursue after football, do you want to compete for SEC and National Championships AND have a nice guaranteed NIL deal with an opportunity for more? No? Money is the deciding, if not ONLY factor? Then good luck to you.

LSU is using NIL--Moscona said they offered Barrow the exact amount Campbell is getting, and he's getting more than anybody on the team right now, something in the healthy 6 figures--it's just using it as a piece of a bigger selling point package. When he said "We're not buying players," he meant he wasn't interested in guys that didn't care about that other stuff, where money was the ONLY thing they were interested in. He doesn't think that's a good way to build a championship team or a championship program.

Those are not the guys he thinks he needs to build and sustain a championship program. And that was his goal when he came here. Not to sell his soul to try to win a NC in any one particular year for any 1 particular player at the sacrifice of team chemistry and the culture he's built and wants to maintain. He's about the process. If he builds the program of his vision, we'll be consistently in the playoff hunt, and if you're in the hunt every year, the stars will eventually align and you'll win an NC or 2 or 3.

Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:39 pm to
Paying $1.5 million to a pretty good DT for 1 year, where he's making twice as much as the best player on the team who committed to the program out of high school and has done everything right and big a huge part of helping build the championship culture BK has worked so hard to foster, paying him more than almost every coach on the staff, for just 1 year, is extremely short-sighted and not in the long-term best interest of the LSU football program.

If he was Suh in his prime that would be 1 thing. Or Dorsey or Sapp. Or an All-American QB projected to be a top 5 NFL Draft pick. But paying a pretty good DT who nobody had ever heard of until a month ago, who is only so highly sought after because of the timing of his entrance into the portal and the low supply and high demand of players at that position shooting his leverage up based much more on the spring market than his actual talent and the likely production he will provide will, in BK's opinion, be a net negative for not just the '24 team, but the future teams as well. That is not the precedent he thinks will be healthy to set to continue to build and maintain the culture he wants. He thinks it will turn into a bunch of "What about me"s?

He may be wrong, but his opinion is based on his expert and unique knowledge--he's the only one that is in the position with the perspective to asses this--of how he thinks such a move would affect his current group of players and coaches and the quality of players he's currently and will continue to recruit. But again, he absolutely did not say we would not pay players. We absolutely will. And we will pay consistent to what the market bears.

But only to a point. At some point, if we're offering a guy say $500K but he's not interested in all the other things playing at LSU brings--if he wants to to Miami with a terrible fanbase, with inferior facilities, inferior coaching, a HUGELY inferior home game experience, not playing against the best players and teams in the country--if he ONLY cares about money and there's a school or 2 so desperate to offer him significantly more than his talent and production warrant--then he's not the kind of player we want at LSU.

At some point, the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I mean, I understand our DT position right now. It ain't great. But does anybody actually believe Barrow or any of the other available DTs are, by themselves, the difference between us winning the NC in '24 and not making the playoffs? I don't. I may be wrong. BK doesn't. He may be wrong too. But he's got to think of both the short and long term health of the program. Great "teams" are better than the sum of their parts.

Adding Barrow would make our parts a little better no doubt. But having to give him $1.5 million to BUY him, may make the sum of those parts worse than they'd be without him due to what that could do to the chemistry of the team. Or maybe not. He may an amazing guy that everybody in the locker room embraces and nobody is envious and it doesn't cause a chain reaction of "What about me"s. But what are the chances 80+ 18-21-year-olds are all mature and selfless enough to think like that? Apparently that's not a chance BK is willing to take for the 2024 LSU team. And it's not a chance that he's willing to take for future LSU teams, thinking that setting this precedent could potentially negatively affect them as well.

Could Kelly be wrong? Sure. But he saw what happened with Harris and Chestnut last year and is erring on the side of caution. And I'd much rather have this decision being made by an experienced, wise, long-term thinking, non-impulsive, non-desperate man with a long-term vision rather than a guy like Kiffin or whoever's making the decisions at Miami. And nothing against either one of them. Their schools are in a much different place currently and historically (recent history) than LSU and are in a position where they have to take more chances.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:42 pm to
Funny how thr people that hate YouTube and CNN are the ones always posting the links and reading the stories
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:45 pm to
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As they should. NIL is walking all over BK. Get with it or get out


You're another fricking idiot who can't past the nose on your face. You're a fricking atrocious poster and an imbecile of a human being. Yahoo is playing a semantics game to make us look bad because they have a hard on for LSU for some reason.

And the irony of this piece--and all of you too dumb to see it--is that they'd have written the opposite piece with the exact same negative tone if we HAD doled out $1.5 million to an above average DT for a 1-year rental. "LSU and Brian Kelly are the Reason NIL is Killing College Football."
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:56 pm to
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Maybe clarify the statement by saying “we’re not overpaying for role players OR non-program guys”


He DID say that. People are latching on to a 5-second soundbite in the middle of a 3-minute answer in the middle of a 20+ minute interview. If you actually watched it--or read the transcript--you would realize that is EXACTLY what he said. Only much more articulately. You just have to not be so lazy as to only take the tiny soundbite and actually take in the entire answer and interview it came in. And be smart enough to interpret it.

I am not sayin "you," lsusteve1 "you." I just referring the royal "you."
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:07 pm to
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There’s a difference in paying players bc you’re allowed to & paying them to get/keep them as the highest bidder.

See Quency Wiggins & Lance Heard as recent examples.

You think LSU didn't try to keep Heard by offering him more money?

LSU offered Williams a shite ton of money to try to get him here. It wasn't worth paying him as much as he was asking. LSU offered to make Barrow the highest player on the team.

LSU currently has a commitment from the #1 QB in the country that is from Michigan. He isn't passing up hundreds of thousands of dollars because he loves LSU so much. We are paying him a ton of money.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:19 pm to
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Someone at Yahoo has a "STIFFIE" for LSU.


I think in BK’s case re: tHaters, it’s more “zomg he left Notre Dame for another college!”
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:21 pm to
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I think it’s fine. You got your Deion’s of the world that believe in paying for players & complete roster turnover
You've got part of that right. Deion is not for paying players which is why they aren't getting the top guys from the portal. He's already said the same thing BK said, I think a month or 2 ago.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:24 pm to
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LSU currently has a commitment from the #1 QB in the country that is from Michigan. He isn't passing up hundreds of thousands of dollars because he loves LSU so much. We are paying him a ton of money.


You’re missing the point. I clearly stated that LSU will pay players. Will Campbell & Harold Perkins are making a lot of money. Recruits in our #1 recruiting class in 2025 will make a lot of money, but what BK & LSU aren’t going to do is give someone more money than they are worth just to get them to play here.

NIL is a part of LSU Football, but they’re obviously more focused on building a winning culture
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 1:25 pm
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:25 pm to
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Deion is not for paying players



He literally got Travis Hunter to sign out of HS for a “7 figure” deal.

ETA: CU has the #7 ranked transfer portal class. He’s signed 39 players
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted by SOL2
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Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:26 pm to
I heard he isn't paying players
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