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re: Cancellation of Mid-Barataria Diversion project could cost Louisiana at least $700 million
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:58 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:58 am to Indefatigable
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There are already hundreds of millions of dollars set aside in this Project to do just that. Its been accounted for.
Not true…the State’s position has been the mitigation funds are to be used for road elevations, grants for refrigeration on commercial vessels, and contingency for construction overruns. The total amount is $360M on a $3B project. The construction cost overruns will likely consume the entire mitigation budget.
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:58 am to nitwit
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Dove is not a dumb arse
The following quote proves different.
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Dove suggested it is possible the contractor could be liable for damages to sub-contractors, not the state. However, he conceded that is not a certainty.
Yea no shite Sherlock. Subs work for the contractors but the state would still owe the whole amount to gen contractor. These people making the decisions amaze me that they don’t do basic research before opening their mouth.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:00 am to Marshhen
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The construction cost overruns will likely consume the entire mitigation budget.
The contingency funds for cost overruns are completely separate from the mitigation funding.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:02 am to bbarras85
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They are only worried about protecting their pockets now.
That’s Louisiana politics and the Good Ole Boys network summed up in a sentence.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:03 am to jizzle6609
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You have folks who have been in yalls system for 30 plus years with shite for brains that are making North of 120K and get to retire with the same amount.
Start cutting the funds from the retirement of the boneheads who put us here.
You realize State/parish employees are obligated to do what elected officials legally order, right?
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:12 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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Work on the $2.9 billion project came to a screeching halt weeks ago when Plaquemines Parish government issued a stop work order.
Well if that ain't in the ole Billy Nungesser playbook. He did the same thing to the Corps of Engineers when they were raising levees and building floodwalls after Katrina. Shutdown all the hurricane protection work until they promised to build a back levee around his and other big money donors houses. Crooked as it can get. They'll do this till they get their kickbacks, then remove the stop work order.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:13 am to Indefatigable
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The contingency funds for cost overruns are completely separate from the mitigation funding.
That’s just not true. At the last TIG meeting in 2023 the question was asked and answered that the mitigation fund was to be used for construction overruns as well. But the State assured everyone that there would be no overruns because the CMAR contractor was going to “guarantee” the maximum cost.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:22 am to Indefatigable
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Correct. FEMA has already told the parish on multiple occasions that the diversion will not impact the parish's NFIP compliance or flood insurance rates whatsoever.
Again, you are spouting incorrect information. The current lawsuit was actually spurred by FEMA’s review of the Parish’s NFIP mapping. The feds stated in writing that the potential impacts of the diversion were not modeled so the Parish would have to accept the increased risk of potential flooding by the project. The Parish requested the modeling from the State proving the project would not increase flood levels and the State failed to provide the information so the Parish filed a stop work order until the modeling was complete. The State is currently developing those models to be submitted to FEMA.
The State, separately from the Parish, is looking at a full accounting of the benefit/cost ratio of the project. The BCA previously showed the project to be beneficial; however, that was using the original $700M price tag. Now that the structure is over $3B the math does not add up.
I am an advocate of diversions, but this particular project is filled with waste and poor designs. There are better ways to preserve and restore the 12,000 acres of land for $3B over the life of the diversion.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:22 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:26 am to KamaCausey_LSU
This state really is run by the biggest morons in the world. Louisiana sucks. Yet I still live in it so you can say I'm dumb and suck too.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:27 am to Indefatigable
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the diversion, which is on State, not Parish land in any case.
Another false statement. The Parish owns the levees & canals while the State owns the land inside of the levees.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:30 am to man in the stadium
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this is Gordon Dove, the person the state has put in charge of CPRA and billion dollar decisions
gets good 1:40
Obese inbred
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:32 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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“That’s a billion dollars, or $700 million, or whatever, right there, without the economic benefit of the project happening,” said state Sen. Gary Carter Jr., D-Algiers.
You can only laugh at a statement like this. This is a prefect example of why capitalism is king. The government is the worst handlers of capital you could possibly conjur up. Guy who doesn't know anything about capital allocation flaming others who are incompetent in capital allocation. The taxpayer loses.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
i posted earlier that Dove was acting more out of dishonesty than ignorance.
Having watched this video of Dove, i may have underestimated his stupidity.
However, my opinion of him being corrupt stands unshaken.
Having watched this video of Dove, i may have underestimated his stupidity.
However, my opinion of him being corrupt stands unshaken.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:42 am to Indefatigable
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They didn't apply for Parish permits because the State told them that they didn't have to. DNR, CPRA, USACE, other federal agencies all signed off on the diversion, which is on State, not Parish land in any case.
Genuine question- Do you know this for fact? Usually, you have to obtain USACE permit and LONO from applicable federal agencies to get permits from state. Once you get Federal and State permits then you get the rubber stamped parish permit.
You typically get the higher level permit then work your way to local permits because no one wants to have a permit they issue revoked when a higher level authority says no.
If this is true then I'm assuming it's because this is a regional project that will affect multiple parishes in the State's master plan.
ETA it's been 15 years since I was involved with Coastal related projects/permits so the process may have changed.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:43 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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Cancellation of Mid-Barataria Diversion project
Happy to hear they shut down this waste of time and money.
The state needs to focus on manual land building. They're doing that on other parts of the coast and it works very well. The amount of land created for the cost and time scale is hilariously small.
In 45 years and billions later...
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:45 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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“That’s a billion dollars, or $700 million, or whatever,
"or whatever"
Yeah, it's only a difference of $300 million in state funds, no biggie
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:48 am to ABucks11
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Landry should be impeached over this. He is allowing this to happen
Because everyone knows the Corp of Engineers Projects always work out.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:55 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Because everyone knows the Corp of Engineers Projects always work out.
Most of the clowns crying about this don't realize this project does jack shite. Look how pathetic this land growth is after 45 years.
The only way to fight coastal erosion would be to blow the entire levee system south of New Orleans.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:58 am to KamaCausey_LSU
IIRC, sometime after Katrina the Corps of Engineers told Plaquemines Parish they couldn’t justify spending $4 billion, or whatever the huge number, to raise their levees from Belle Chase down to Venice to the same height as Nola, to protect a population of 25,000 people.
Katrina destroyed most of the marsh east of the river south of Delacroix, while coastal erosion has done the same for Barataria Bay. I have fished those areas for decades and the change from marsh to open water is remarkable and stunning.
That cat is out of the bag and not coming back to its former condition, even with the Diversion Project. Mardi Gras Pass, naturally created by the river on the east side, is a good example of how fresh water flow has rebuilt marsh in that area. To say we’ll do nothing, or dredge our way out of this as advocated by Nungesser et al, isn’t going to work.
The Diversion is a band aid but sorely needed. To say we’ll imperil the future of a million or so people for the wishes of 25,000 is not sound political leadership or wise. If it were in my power, I’d blow the levees somewhere south of Belle Chase and let the river do its thing, build land.
Do nothing and Nola Westbank levees in 50 years will be adjacent to the Gulf of Mexico, while Plaquemines Parish will be gone. New Orleans won’t be far behind, and it will be mostly open water between Baton Rouge and the Gulf.
We unfortunately live in a State that does political stupidity very, very well. At some point the Feds will quit bailing us out. Cancel the Diversion Project and you can kiss the coastline below Nola goodbye.
Katrina destroyed most of the marsh east of the river south of Delacroix, while coastal erosion has done the same for Barataria Bay. I have fished those areas for decades and the change from marsh to open water is remarkable and stunning.
That cat is out of the bag and not coming back to its former condition, even with the Diversion Project. Mardi Gras Pass, naturally created by the river on the east side, is a good example of how fresh water flow has rebuilt marsh in that area. To say we’ll do nothing, or dredge our way out of this as advocated by Nungesser et al, isn’t going to work.
The Diversion is a band aid but sorely needed. To say we’ll imperil the future of a million or so people for the wishes of 25,000 is not sound political leadership or wise. If it were in my power, I’d blow the levees somewhere south of Belle Chase and let the river do its thing, build land.
Do nothing and Nola Westbank levees in 50 years will be adjacent to the Gulf of Mexico, while Plaquemines Parish will be gone. New Orleans won’t be far behind, and it will be mostly open water between Baton Rouge and the Gulf.
We unfortunately live in a State that does political stupidity very, very well. At some point the Feds will quit bailing us out. Cancel the Diversion Project and you can kiss the coastline below Nola goodbye.
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