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re: A I refuses to say how many Jews were killed by the Nazis but knows all about the NABKA!!
Posted on 5/12/24 at 10:02 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 5/12/24 at 10:02 pm to imjustafatkid
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Yeah, all those Jews just up and disappeared. No telling what happened to them. We'll never know!
No one is saying that many Jews didn't die. There is just no evidence to support the number 6 million. We say 6 million because the jews say it was 6 million.
The World Almanac shortly after the war showed there were more jews in Europe than before the war. The mass graves to support that number don't exist. The Germans tracked everything they did and their records can't corroborate that number either. The gas chambers couldn't physically destroy the missing millions of bodies either.
The most generous estimates using all available evidence support 3-4 million killed. That's still untolerable and doesn't take away from the horror, so why is there such animosity towards people that just want the truth?
It's a virtual impossibility that millions of people could disappear without any evidence. People shouldn't be attacked just for saying something logical. There have been people sent to prison for even questioning the official narrative. It's what people do when they want you to just accept what they are saying without thinking.
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:26 am to TenWheelsForJesus
Some of the stories are clearly inventions.
I don’t believe the Germans were killing prisoners at Buchenwald by throwing them into a cage with a bear and and an eagle.
Shooting people? Yes.
Bizarre James Bond setup, no.
The claim also emerged decades after the war ended. It’s clearly hucksterism.
Disease and malnutrition were likely big killers, and should get talked about more.
It’s to some degree a symbolic figure. We don’t know how many people died.
Israeli filmmaker David Fisher in an interview with Haaretz.
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I don’t believe the Germans were killing prisoners at Buchenwald by throwing them into a cage with a bear and and an eagle.
Shooting people? Yes.
Bizarre James Bond setup, no.
The claim also emerged decades after the war ended. It’s clearly hucksterism.
Disease and malnutrition were likely big killers, and should get talked about more.
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There is just no evidence to support the number 6 million. We say 6 million because the jews say it was 6 million.
It’s to some degree a symbolic figure. We don’t know how many people died.
Israeli filmmaker David Fisher in an interview with Haaretz.
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it’s true that in 1945 it was known that four million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz, and 50 years later it was known that ‘only’ a million and a half people were killed there, out of whom one million were Jews. When I heard about this discovery, I asked myself: How is it possible, then, that the six million number was not reduced accordingly?
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This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 7:37 am
Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:41 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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The mass graves to support that number don't exist. The Germans tracked everything they did and their records can't corroborate that number either. The gas chambers couldn't physically destroy the missing millions of bodies either.
The most generous estimates using all available evidence support 3-4 million killed. That's still untolerable and doesn't take away from the horror, so why is there such animosity towards people that just want the truth?
I agree with this, but it’s not really germane to this thread. As you pointed out yourself, 4 million is just as immoral as 6 million.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:02 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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We say 6 million because the jews say it was 6 million.
The "number" congealed around statements by Eichmann made to another person in 1944. That came out during the 1961 trial, but a number between 5 and 6 million has been derived from census data and quite a bit of digging through Nazi archives.
Even the global civilian death total has a fairly wide range - as low as 35 to 38 million or as much as 55 to 60 million. Records are incomplete (Russia and China suffered enormous civilian casualties and records that would have helped narrow the number were destroyed during the fighting). While the Nazis kept detailed records, overall, as the war was ending, the killing ramped up and record keeping got lax.
The Nazis also killed millions of Soviet POWs and members of "undesirable" groups (Slavs, Gypsies, disabled, etc.)
Questioning the number for historical accuracy's sake is fine. Consensus seems to be in the 5 million to 6 million range (certainly not unreasonable), but certainly the Nazis had a target goal of surviving Jews on the planet: 0.
To parse these estimated numbers as a "gotcha" to either Jews or Israel is a questionable activity, IMHO.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:07 am to TenWheelsForJesus
You don’t need mass graves for cremated bodies.
I have zero respect for Holocaust deniers. They always go from “just asking questions” to “and that’s why we need a REAL holocaust” if you engage with them long enough. Genocide is bad. You can’t justify questioning whether a genocide happened or not if your end goal is to commit the very same genocide you’re casting doubt on the existence of.
Every internet Holocaust denier in a nutshell:
I have zero respect for Holocaust deniers. They always go from “just asking questions” to “and that’s why we need a REAL holocaust” if you engage with them long enough. Genocide is bad. You can’t justify questioning whether a genocide happened or not if your end goal is to commit the very same genocide you’re casting doubt on the existence of.
Every internet Holocaust denier in a nutshell:
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:00 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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We say 6 million because the jews say it was 6 million.
No, we say 6 million because census data exists and it's a reasonable estimate.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:10 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
You do realize that many Jews and others died outside of gas chambers or work camps? Mass graves of bodies were burned in large open pits or buried in unmarked field? The Nazis did not keep detailed statistics in all camps including Treblinka which was destroyed as well as Sobibor before the war was over. You are trying to sound intelligent but it makes you look foolish
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