re: Pels want to move to top of draft, BI to be “aggressively” shopped per Stein

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Only due to historic injury luck that's bordering on a curse. What will a draft pick in a very, very mid-draft do to change that? Again, the odds are that this pick will not come close to the player BI is.

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Ok so now we’re cursed lol. Well I don’t know if theres a solution for that but there is a solution to making your team good enough to compete despite injuries.

A top 5 pick in any draft CAN make a difference- im not saying he will for sure but its also a big possibility he can. Odds are that player may be much cheaper and better fit than BI which make our team overall better. Its not about getting the better player- its about making your team better.

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How does this increase the ceiling? That's the part you're stating without any backing. Again, the odds are that this pick will not come close to the player BI is.

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That pick may hit and his ceiling may be higher than you think. Which is a possibility for a top 5 pick in any draft. You shed BI contract- freeing up money to maje your team better. And again its not about necessarily getting the better player but moving BI will make our team better. And you can add cheap players that make this team while having money to spend- thats how you increase the ceiling. Its not about getting the better player than BI- its about getting a better fit whos cheaper and makes our team overall better.

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When the injury gods favor us, we clearly are not.

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Every team has injuries- the truth is BI and Zion are injury prone players. You can survive having one star injury prone but not both. Thats honestly the big issue we depend too much on two guys that get injured.

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Historically bad injury luck, bordering on a curse. The same issues this franchise has had since the CP3 era.

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I can’t help you with curses. Maybs tell pels to hire a witch doctor.

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Duren ain't good. The #5 pick isn't valuable.

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Duren is an athletic 19 year old center who has shown flashes of being pretty good. Its something this team has been missing at the center position

Any #5 pick in a draft is valuable. So thats just false. There are different levels to that value according to the draft. But even in this draft there us value at 5. Ausar was picked last year at 5. High likelihood of Reed Sheppard and Topic being there at 5.

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2020 was considered a weak draft. Wound up having quite a lot of solid players and even budding superstars. You just never know. There’s intriguing prospects in this class. Just maybe not on the same level as classes like last year

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I’m thinking the same thing, especially with bigs in this draft. At least one of filipowskj, Missi, Ware or Holmes will be good.

I can also see a few goods ones come from McCain, Shannon, Carter and Kolek

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I’m thinking the same thing, especially with bigs in this draft.

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Its basically a role player draft which isn’t a bad thing especially for teams like us that need those specific guys for us to hit our ceiling. Theres also a strong possibility that couple of these role players become more and become a star- like you said happens in almost every draft.

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Strawman has entered the chat, mixed with a dash of ad hom

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You do this everytime in an argument when someone calls you out. They become the “strawman” lol. Its pretty predictable you do the same thing on the Saints board.

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Cool. That has nothing to do with toy calling it a rebuild when you know it's not a rebuild.

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Trading a borderline all-star for a pick in a mid draft is rebuilding.

How else do you want to describe it? Trashing assets for no return anytime soon, with a hope for an outlier result years down the road?

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Why did you call it a rebuild when you know it is factually not a rebuild? W

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Again, how do you describe giving away assets for a team built to win now, for an outlier hope that they can produce something +EV years down the road?

We certainly aren't improving, and certainly not improving on our timeline.

So if we're not rebuilding then we are just intentionally getting worse. That's what happens when you rebuild and the young assets ultimately don't produce. The only time making yourself intentionally worse is OK is when you're....rebuilding (to get higher draft picks to hopefully improve talent).

So yeah, we may not be rebuilding. We may just be getting a lot worse, for...reasons.

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Plus he didn't even use it correctly

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You are mis-stating my argument. Strawman.

You are doing it with personal attacks ( you wouldn't feel the need to misrepresent like you did here.) mixed in.

No. I used both correctly.

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Trading a borderline all-star for a pick in a mid draft is rebuilding.

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So yeah, we may not be rebuilding. We may just be getting a lot worse, for...reasons.

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Well, for starters over the past 164 gamed worth of a sample size, we have a higher win % when BI doesn't play. If BI is THAT good that we are a "lot worse" if we lose him, then I'd imagine you shouldn't even want to trade him.

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That statement just woefully misses the mark. This team isn't built to win anything as it stands.

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We were a number 4 seed for 2 days.

Offseason: We’re built to win now!!! Lol

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when you just stated we were a 4 or 5 seed when healthy- thats not built to win now

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The frick?

How is it not?

Are you arguing that only title contention is "built to win"? Because I have bad news for you. That's not going to ever happen in New Orleans. We will never spend what it takes to win a title, nor are we likely to ever have the opportunity to get players to come here to do so. Zion not coming close to his ceiling sealed that fate for this generation (3rd generational prospect in a row we've been dealt, mind you).